YakYak

It's been mentioned in the Scottish Independence thread, but there's no thread for it here.

So, yesterday, a bunch of fucking twats in Paris executed 8 satirical journalists and cartoonists, 2 policemen and 2 others, "in the name of Mohammed". The journalists worked for French satirical magazine "Charlie Hebdo", one policeman was on protection duty at the magazine, the other policeman (a muslim) just happened to be in the area, and the two others were visiting the magazine. The reason? Charlie Hebdo dared to publish satirical images of Mohammed.

It's wrong. Very wrong.

But you're not Charlie. No matter how much you tweet #jesuischarlie, you don't have the necessary bollocks. And nor do I. They responded to death threats by carrying on as normal. They responded to their office being firebombed by carrying on even more as normal. And they will carry on carrying on. Because they've got a huge fucking pair. And you haven't, you tweetfuck.

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*RTs, favs*

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Jedburgh

It's all about trying to work out what the fuck is going on.

My misjudgement, I didn't think we needed one then, but I've been drifting toward making one since.


That was years ago.


So that's probably the actual cause.


Well, maybe. Support is support, no matter how feeble.

Maybe after this, Charlie won't carry on, I couldn't blame them. This is a war, now. Nobody signed up for it, but that's what it is.

I did wonder for a while since the perpetrators got away, whether this was a false flag thing, but it seems their names are known, and it's for real.

Now what, concentration camps?

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"My way is the way of not fighting":- the book of Enter the Dragon.

I'll write what i wrote yesterday on the Ireland thread (I didn't open a new one because i didn't know how much interest there was and that one deals with continental Europe often)



As for the phenomenom "Je suis Charlie" i think it was started by journalists and it just means that an attack on Charlie Hebdo is an attack on the freedom of press, freedom of speech. If people in the media give in and stop saying what they think because they are afraid of being blown up then we have a form of censorship.

Of course there is already a lot of that in the media. People may not write or say the truth because they are afraid of loosing their job, the newspaper are afraid of loosing sources of funding and that is also a way of censoring the news.

Of course too tons of people seem to have jumped on the wagon of the "Je suis Charlie" who didn't even know who they were, and some may not know yet, and others hated the magazine before and suddenly became supporters.

I'm just worried that this causes a backlash on Muslims in Europe that are not sympathetic to ISIS or whatever they are called, that causes even more discrimination and exclusion against the children of those growing in Europe, and that other type of extremist groups use this to raise the flag of shipping muslims and other ethnic groups out of the European countries.

As far as i heard on the lunch time news one of those 3, turned himself in saying he is innocent and apparently he has an alibi.

We may wait till the story develops to see exactly who did it, that is if they find out, they can have easily passed the frontiers even with alerts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883






http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-30722098




It's really real and known islamists, apparently. Not fascists making trouble.

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"My way is the way of not fighting":- the book of Enter the Dragon.

Thread title had me thinking "Charlie bit me!".

yeahp, yesterday they were looking for 3 but the 3rd one turned himself in and has an alibi.

The media found out about who they were looking for because the French police issue the pics of the 3 of them to other countries so they wouldn't be allowed to cross and the Spanish gave the pics to the media.

One of the brothers forgot his identity card on the first car they stole to get away fm the scene, that's how the police came to know about them.

Apparently they stopped at a police station North of Paris and according to the station owner were heavily armed. That's what lead to the search by over 80K policemen in that area. Apparently too that search has now ended.

I'm just checking the French press and my own every so often.

Nah, since the Mohammed cartoons (which, as you correctly note, was years ago), the magazine (and, more particularly, its cartoonists) have been living under constant and real danger of attack from radical islamic militants. There have been fatwas issued on them on a regular basis, calls for their killing, since the cartoons were published. One of the police officers killed was part of their ever-present protection group.

That's why the whole "Je Suis Charlie" tweetwank is so fucking hollow. We're talking about people who have had to live for years under police protection, who have fought legal battles to keep their constitutional right to free speech over the same issue, and who have never backed down. Who published this as their front cover after their office was firebombed:



We know that most people will simply follow the mass. The french collaborators in WW2* show that amply. 99.999% of us simply don't have the spine to actually put our lives on the line for an abstract ideal, to be ready to take a bullet to the face for free speech. I'm not sure I could do that; I've faced down armed police over my rights, but was sure they weren't going to shoot me - a maniac with an AK47 I'm not so sure about.

So fuck off with your #jesuischarlie unless you're willing to die for what you believe. Not say "I'll die for ...", but willing to actually die. Now.

* It's easy to poke the collaborators and "resistants du dernier heure" in France, but we don't seem to do the same (at least to the same extent) for the other occupied countries, even less for countries like Italy or Spain who actively helped. Hell, I have no idea what I'd personally do in that situation.

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There have been a number of incidents that suggest there have been revenge attacks (no injuries reported that I'm aware of, thankfully) against Muslim premises in France, but the reaction might be mitigated by the fact that its been revealed that one of the murdered police officers was also a Muslim.

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"Stars don't twinkle in space." - Char Aznable.

I never understood the point of those cartoons. Presumably the majority of people who are offended are non-violent. If they are not banned by the government then censorship was never an issue.

I just want to add to this as i was in a hurry when i wrote it.

ISIS themselves may have used the id card to throw the cops in the wrong direction. They could easily obtain the id card of one of their sympathizers leave in one of the cars making the police look for those meanwhile the actual gunman escape, and pursue their work. ISIS doesn't seem so much into suicide as their predecessors of the AQ.


Or i could write a novel.

There was a point to be made about self-censorship, though.

This is my contribution of support. It's not very good.

So support is an extreme "all or nothing" thing, you have to go and die for the cause or not support it at all? There's no middle ground between armed conflict and complete apathy?
Or are these tweeps literally saying they're willing to die for it (I guess probably using that old quote that Voltaire allegedly but probably didn't say about defending free speech to the death)