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Did anyone find it spooky the way the doctor went on about everything having it's end? He was only bloody well echoing aaron in the other Dr. Who thread.

C'mon arron - come clean. The Doctor isn't the last timelord, is he...?

Strange YakYak/Dr. Who synchronicity aside - I'm afraid I didn't like this as much as the first. But that's not really an issue. It was still entertaining.

And when he was looking for a gift, I sooo wanted the Doctor to pull out a bag of jelly babies....

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I liked it. Its nice to see 'alien' aliens. Good character acting - but then Mrs Flat was Zoe Wannamaker - good actors seem to be a hallmark of this season.

Definate echoes of the first doctor near the end. Brrr.

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I enjoyed it but I guess everyone already knew that :)

The stuff about Gallifrey I suspect is going to link into the book series if you've read it. Someone reported that the final 8th Doctor book that resolves the fact that the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey himself doesn't contradict the series. Apparently they were careful about that.

So we have what appears to be a confirmed link into the novel series for the fanwank lovers like me and an excellent story arc for the new viewers to get their teeth into :)

Next week's episode looks like it's going to scar some young children for life :)

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And when he was looking for a gift, I sooo wanted the Doctor to pull out a bag of jelly babies....


I was kind of expecting that, but the fact that they didn't do that was even better.

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And when he was looking for a gift, I sooo wanted the Doctor to pull out a bag of jelly babies....


Me too![/AOL]
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what i ment by crap saving the day thing, is they way it was done.

big fans in way of switch!!!!!! i'm mean come on, galaxy quest or what!!! last seconds job, nah tooooo cliched.



Also in terms of writing, time-lords... travel in time, so even if there was a war, and they all got recalled, there would still be some of them around at earlier points in their lives (as time travel is a bit like random access memory) and we see the doctor from his point of view!

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Next week's episode looks like it's going to scar some young children for life :)


There are Cybermen in next weeks episode? 8O

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Great episode, that :)

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So we have what appears to be a confirmed link into the novel series for the fanwank lovers like me and an excellent story arc for the new viewers to get their teeth into :)

Sooooo... Seeing as that bit of continuity's sorted out and he's the last of the Time Lords, is there anything to prevent him regenerating as often as he bally well pleases?

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Something I've never quite understood about the Doctor and perhaps someone (HGFB maybe?) can clarify as to why - but, given the Doctors seeming technical brilliance (ie. at creating the TARDIS and sonic screwdriver etc..), why is it that he doesn't appear to possess some kind of personal defence technology? (weaponry or a shield of some kind)?

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Great episode, that :)

Sooooo... Seeing as that bit of continuity's sorted out and he's the last of the Time Lords, is there anything to prevent him regenerating as often as he bally well pleases?


There was nothing stopping a good writer from arranging it before we found out about Gallifrey being blown to buggery. :)

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Something I've never quite understood about the Doctor and perhaps someone (HGFB maybe?) can clarify as to why - but, given the Doctors seeming technical brilliance (ie. at creating the TARDIS and sonic screwdriver etc..), why is it that he doesn't appear to possess some kind of personal defence technology? (weaponry or a shield of some kind)?


Yeah. It's the Superman problem. If he's indestructable where's the tension?

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I liked how they managed to get the last human to actually look like zoe wanamaker

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I enjoyed it but I guess everyone already knew that :)

The stuff about Gallifrey I suspect is going to link into the book series if you've read it. Someone reported that the final 8th Doctor book that resolves the fact that the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey himself doesn't contradict the series. Apparently they were careful about that.

So we have what appears to be a confirmed link into the novel series for the fanwank lovers like me and an excellent story arc for the new viewers to get their teeth into :)

Next week's episode looks like it's going to scar some young children for life :)


So, are you going to give those of us that haven't read that series of books a heads-up this time? Last time I asked you blew me off with a 'there are too many to list' answer. ;) I'd be very interested to know how a planet populated by time-manipulators can allow itself to be destroyed so utterly that it (by implication) no longer exists in time NOR space...

C'mon, spill the beans. We want titles and authors. :)

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So, are you going to give those of us that haven't read that series of books a heads-up this time? Last time I asked you blew me off with a 'there are too many to list' answer. ;) I'd be very interested to know how a planet populated by time-manipulators can allow itself to be destroyed so utterly that it (by implication) no longer exists in time NOR space...

C'mon, spill the beans. We want titles and authors. :)

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Seriously. This ran for such a long period of time and over so many novels (Including linking back to the previous Virgin books line and Bernice Summerfield) that I wouldn't have a fucking clue.

I'll give it a punt though :)

The Doctor and Sam (Samantha) arrive at a planet and stumble across an auction. The auction is for a dead body that the seller claims is the Doctor (A future incarnation). A few things came out of this story. First the idea of a type 102 Tardis. Fully sentient and able to take human form. Apparently used in a future war between the Timelords and another Time active race) and the war itself. It's hinted (But only with hindsight) that the body is the third Doctor.

Every couple of books after that we'd get some other hint or clue as to the nature of the war or things that happen in it. The war is supposed to take place at sometime in the Doctor's future.

Faction Paradox are introduced. FP are a rogue branch of Time Lords who live in the 11 Day Empire. These guys are dedicated to fucking around with the timeline for their own ends and start butting heads with the Doc.

Interference Part 1 and 2
Two books that feature plot strands by the third and eighth Doctors. It's a long and complicated story but it introduces a key plot point. That a Faction Paradox virus kills the third Doctor *before* he dies in The Planet of The Spiders. This takes place on a planet called Dust. At this point the Doc picks up a new companion. An ex Faction Paradox agent called Compassion.

Later in the series the Tardis is completely destroyed when a portal to Avalon appears in the middle of England and the Tardis hits it. By the end of the book Compassion has become a type 101 Tardis (the first sentient Tardis) and Romana's third incarnation (War Queen of Gallifrey) wants to capture her and use her to breed with Bull Tardis units to create the type 102 she needs to fight in the coming war.

More books blah blah blah.

The Ancestor Cell.
The Time Lords capture the Doctor and Compassion. A giant bone structure has appeared in the sky over Gallifrey and the timelines are starting to alter. The war is coming. Lots of things happen. The dead third Doctor turns out to be the ultimate paradox and is the head of Faction Paradox (Grandfather Paradox). The bone structure is the Doctor's tardis desperately trying to contain the energies of the third doc paradox (So it doesn't happen) and Romana is being a bitch.

By the end the Doctor has use the energy the Tardis has been containing by blowing up the bone structure. This destroys Gallifrey and for reasons I'm not going into stop the war from happening and saves the universe.

Compassion has rescued the Doctor from the structure just as it exploded but the shock of what he had to do has unhinged him and he's lost his memory.

Compassion puts him on a train at the beginning of the 20th century with a small stone (The core of the Tardis. It'll need 100 years to regrow) and a note to meet Fitz (His other companion) in 100 years time at a specific location.

The Doctor then spends the next 6 or seven books living in the 20th century and having adventures. Then lots of other complicated things happen.

The last 8th Doctor book is due out in June and is called "The Gallifrey Chronicles".

This shit is really complicated and I'd really rather not have to explain the significance of I.M.Foreman, the bottle universe and Bernice Summerfield. My brain hurts as it is.

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