Dunno if the PS2 does 720p. It certainly does 1080i though, which the cube doesn't
And the dreamcast... I tend to think of that as 1/2 a generation backwards in that it died before it ever had chance to be part of the last generation of consoles. And half a generation forward as it had a VGA output so was a noticable step better than the GC/PS2/Xbox. (And yes, I know the Xbox did VGA with Hacks, as did the PS2, kindof).
Darkflame wrote:Also Okami =\= Wind Waker
Fantastic visual style, but not as deep as youd hope.
There's a lot of 'judging a book by its cover' in videogames. Not that i'm condoning such an approach, but it's hard to review a game on its non-visual merits properly i guess if you're on a tight schedule. To play a game properly requires even more dedication than reading a decent length book.
Darkflame wrote:
The main point is TWW got 40/40, TP has 38/40, regards of competition that implies TP is worse then WindWaker.
For that to be true (which, it could be), they need to justfy and say why they ducked those 2 points. (or, those two reviewers would have to explain why they ducked a point).
And therein lies the folly of condensing a multi-faceted entity into a single figure, and why imo ranking videogames by spuriously accurate review scores is a waste of time.
Well, you cant get absolute rateings of games no mater what you do.
Putting a number to represent all the pros and cons is, indeed, impossible.
But you could, imo, at least have relative accuracy, allowing you to compare simerla games.
Having multiple reviewers is a good step in itself, but there would also have to be an agreement to do one of two things:
a) All game scores are rated on enjoyment, regaurdless of any surrounding factors.
This way historicaly, game scores are consistant.
If TP is less enjoyable then previous zelda games, the score would reflect it.
This would avoid what IGN did recently:
They said TP was the best Zelda ever, yet gave it a lower score then Ocarina.
b) Admit that standards change, and retroactively change scores for older games.
Personaly, Id be happy with either system.
But the half-way-house at the moment just seems increaseingly useless.
Especialy with reviewers that change and thus have no consistant standard you can compare your taste too.
Maybe when EDGE reviews Zelda they might have a side-line on the problems with review scoreing.
Darkflame wrote:Sounds like a nintendo rep not knowing a darn thing to me :p
Marius wrote:Meh. TP has much tougher competition than TWW ever had. Okami? FF XII? DQ8? Next-gen consoles? Zelda being up against this kind of muscle and still scoring 38/40 is impressive as hell. And let's not forget that it's more or less a sequel.
And Wind Waker wasnt more or less sequal?
Also Okami =\= Wind Waker
Fantastic visual style, but not as deep as youd hope.
Also, Id argue that stuff like FFXII and DQ8 also had equilivent level games at that time.
(for that mater, Imo, Beyond Good and Evil blows Wind Waker out the water. Allthough without TWW first would BG&E exist how we know it?)
The main point is TWW got 40/40, TP has 38/40, regards of competition that implies TP is worse then WindWaker.
For that to be true (which, it could be), they need to justfy and say why they ducked those 2 points. (or, those two reviewers would have to explain why they ducked a point).
I assume they did, which is why I am hoping for a translation at some stage
(and I hope its not some lame like "not HD" -1 point!!!!" )
Well, I loved BG&E, but still enjoyed TWW more, mainly because it wasn't as linear and it was a much bigger game. But then again, I also loved the sailing parts, very tranquil and soothing
I just feel that scores given should be relative to the time of their release, so a prequel scoring higher in the past doesn't neccesacy mean that it's a better game. It just means that it was a better game at the time of release compared to the competition. And even though TP is the arguably the best Zelda yet, it doesn't stand head and shoulders above the competition as perhaps Oot once did, hence not a perfect 40.
How on earth Wind Waker got 40/40 amazes me. Sure, it was fun and looked beautiful. Yet it still has blatent flaws like the lack of a decent quest log - if I have to listen to that bloody boat tell me to "save the world" one more time I swear I'm going to sink it
IMHO there is no such thing as a perfect game, which is what a 40/40 score implies! Sure, some games get close (Halo, Zelda games in general, etc.). Looking forward to playing the new Zelda, but really hoping it has a quest log! I just can't sit down and play a game from start to finish - there are always breaks and after those breaks I need to look up and see what I've done and where I need to go next...
Ocarina was as close to perfection that I have ever played and as a reviewer I would have felt guilty giving it a 9 - it would have been a 9.99999 for me as there always has to be room for improvement (quoted directly from Heston on his cooking programme last night)
I used to have a cleaning lady at the time that OoT came out, and she was all New Agey and that and really quite scornful of gaming tech. But I was working my way through OoT, and the couple of hours when she was mucking me out made for an excellent Zelding slot, so she'd see me playing every week; and in the end became captivated by the unfolding story and asked me to teach her how to play.
I ended up having to lend mer my N64 for a few months while she played through OoT on her own. As far as I know that was the first and only videogame she ever played .
Yak wrote:I used to have a cleaning lady at the time that OoT came out, and she was all New Agey and that and really quite scornful of gaming tech. But I was working my way through OoT, and the couple of hours when she was mucking me out made for an excellent Zelding slot, so she'd see me playing every week; and in the end became captivated by the unfolding story and asked me to teach her how to play.
I ended up having to lend mer my N64 for a few months while she played through OoT on her own. As far as I know that was the first and only videogame she ever played .
IMHO there is no such thing as a perfect game, which is what a 40/40 score implies! Sure, some games get close (Halo, Zelda games in general, etc.). Looking forward to playing the new Zelda, but really hoping it has a quest log! I just can't sit down and play a game from start to finish - there are always breaks and after those breaks I need to look up and see what I've done and where I need to go next...
The fact of the matter is that it's all very subjective - So you are not wrong in what you say, but to a degree reviewers do have a unique role. In any event, we'll all play the games that *we enjoy, which is most important.
* = Or should that be Wii?!
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IMHO there is no such thing as a perfect game, which is what a 40/40 score implies! Sure, some games get close (Halo, Zelda games in general, etc.). Looking forward to playing the new Zelda, but really hoping it has a quest log! I just can't sit down and play a game from start to finish - there are always breaks and after those breaks I need to look up and see what I've done and where I need to go next...
The fact of the matter is that it's all very subjective - So you are not wrong in what you say, but to a degree reviewers do have a unique role. In any event, we'll all play the games that *we enjoy, which is most important.
