Mustn't laugh:
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/articl ... 1772TI4aNW
EU referendum are you in or out
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
This seems fair:
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/articl ... yxD59VO3Nb
Maybe a bit more buyers remorse in the next few years
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/articl ... yxD59VO3Nb
Maybe a bit more buyers remorse in the next few years
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
Fuck sakes
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
Not me. It's not the end. The younger generation will grow up and can re-apply for EU Membership. The country is mess, how can get any worse. You can't make a liveable wage or pay the rent down south. So what help has EU been anyways. I grew up in a Country I could not afford and I'm glad I left and I'm now sitting pretty here Canada watching it from afar. I don't understand the negative. you've got country back and it is up to you now and now you don't have to ask 27 other countries if that is OK to do the things you want.rowan wrote:Still kind of reeling from this. Was supposed to go to a party but sacked it off because brexit will come up in conversation & arguments will start.
A majority of less than 2% has broken something that can't be mended, I wonder how many of those are having second thoughts now?
.
.
.
.
....I'm the BEST thing that has ever happened to ME............I think therefore I'm a Yam.
.
.
.
....I'm the BEST thing that has ever happened to ME............I think therefore I'm a Yam.
-
zip accident
- Sheepie Whore
- Posts: 13928
- Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:58 pm 0
- Location: Bristol, UK
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
Thousands of ways it could get worse are possible.Meow wrote:The country is mess, how can get any worse.
Most of those become a bit more likely with this stupid decision.
"My way is the way of not fighting":- the book of Enter the Dragon.
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
Amazing how the people in this thread most vehement about the awfulness of the UK are those that don't live here.
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
Yeah the more you look back on it the more insanely reckless it seems to make such a huge move, that risks triggering a global recession, based on such a narrow majority. Especially when it seems so many didn't even really know which side to go for and just picked one almost (if not completely) at random. Gambling the future of the country, the EU, and maybe the world on a coin toss.
Just hope it turns out to be the right thing to have done somehow.
The pub's angry old racist type seems about 5% less miserable today (he's still shouting and ranting right wing politics though)
Just hope it turns out to be the right thing to have done somehow.
The pub's angry old racist type seems about 5% less miserable today (he's still shouting and ranting right wing politics though)
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
Lol
Well it's his own fault but it's an understandable position.
Cons leadership is a bit of a poisoned chalice. The referendum isn't binding, it's advisory. Whoever triggers article 50 will also be responsible for leaving the EU, breaking up the UK and doing a shit on the economy while its struggling to grow. And, IMHO, will be politically finished.
Johnson said we could have another referendum in the past and he's exceedingly fond of himself so who knows, this story might not be finished.
Well it's his own fault but it's an understandable position.
Cons leadership is a bit of a poisoned chalice. The referendum isn't binding, it's advisory. Whoever triggers article 50 will also be responsible for leaving the EU, breaking up the UK and doing a shit on the economy while its struggling to grow. And, IMHO, will be politically finished.
Johnson said we could have another referendum in the past and he's exceedingly fond of himself so who knows, this story might not be finished.
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
Deary me
Well if there's some good to come out of all this, when all the shit starts hitting the fan and the more right wing Tory government starts writing a whole bunch of dreadful new laws setting progress back 40 years, maybe people will finally learn to research before making massive decisions, and think for themselves instead of letting cynicism take over and letting the Daily Mail tell them what to do?
I know, wishful thinking...
Well if there's some good to come out of all this, when all the shit starts hitting the fan and the more right wing Tory government starts writing a whole bunch of dreadful new laws setting progress back 40 years, maybe people will finally learn to research before making massive decisions, and think for themselves instead of letting cynicism take over and letting the Daily Mail tell them what to do?
I know, wishful thinking...
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
I see reporting is no different now to what it was before - ie. biased.
The news reports the footsie was down blah blah. They failed to then say it actually finished up higher than it was the week before!
Nobody knows at this point what is going to happen. Wait till the dust settles. It's almost as bad as the two sides giving us arguments asgainst each other instread of real cold hard facts that are actuall reality not possible realities.
And remember, like I said before I voted remain. Can't believe how everyone is carrying on...
The news reports the footsie was down blah blah. They failed to then say it actually finished up higher than it was the week before!
Nobody knows at this point what is going to happen. Wait till the dust settles. It's almost as bad as the two sides giving us arguments asgainst each other instread of real cold hard facts that are actuall reality not possible realities.
And remember, like I said before I voted remain. Can't believe how everyone is carrying on...
Last edited by Whiteball on Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:11 pm 0, edited 1 time in total.
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
I can see why Cameron has said that and maybe why Boris has gone underground today.
If Boris is the one that has to trigger article 50 and take us out, then he's he one that'll take the shit if it all goes tits up economically
If Boris is the one that has to trigger article 50 and take us out, then he's he one that'll take the shit if it all goes tits up economically
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
So, second day of Regrexit and finance ministers from the founding EU nations get together and demand that the UK begins negotiations to leave immediately.
Just keep that phrase by Mr. Juncker in mind: "however painful it may be".
I don't think some people have realised. They are not going to be nice about this. It's in their interests for this to be messy and painful to deter others.
I've looked up Article 50. Once it's triggered, there's no turning back. After officially informing the Commission of our intent to leave, this starts a clock ticking, where all EU treaties will automatically cease after 2 years. They just stop. If agreement hasn't been reached by then, it's tough shit.
It's an irrevocable one-way street to leaving, with no mechanism for undoing any of it... and the EU has been repeatedly calling for us to invoke Article 50 right now. They know exactly how it works. They are basically telling us to fuck off and good riddance. They want to rush it because they know that'll make it more painful.
I don't think the Leave campaign has any fucking idea of the maelstrom it has unleashed on itself and the country. They're in for a right shock.
Yes, whoever invokes Article 50 will be the one who officially, for the history books, will go down as having laid down the killing blow (and not just for the EU, because the second Scottish referendum will likely also kill the UK too). I don't blame Cameron in the slightest for saying "I'm not doing it".
(Though I do blame him for being the stupid twat to promise the referendum in the first place, simply because he wanted to shut up Gove and a few others in the Tory party. But I've moaned about that one previously, so I won't repeat.)
Just keep that phrase by Mr. Juncker in mind: "however painful it may be".
I don't think some people have realised. They are not going to be nice about this. It's in their interests for this to be messy and painful to deter others.
I've looked up Article 50. Once it's triggered, there's no turning back. After officially informing the Commission of our intent to leave, this starts a clock ticking, where all EU treaties will automatically cease after 2 years. They just stop. If agreement hasn't been reached by then, it's tough shit.
It's an irrevocable one-way street to leaving, with no mechanism for undoing any of it... and the EU has been repeatedly calling for us to invoke Article 50 right now. They know exactly how it works. They are basically telling us to fuck off and good riddance. They want to rush it because they know that'll make it more painful.
I don't think the Leave campaign has any fucking idea of the maelstrom it has unleashed on itself and the country. They're in for a right shock.
Yes, whoever invokes Article 50 will be the one who officially, for the history books, will go down as having laid down the killing blow (and not just for the EU, because the second Scottish referendum will likely also kill the UK too). I don't blame Cameron in the slightest for saying "I'm not doing it".
(Though I do blame him for being the stupid twat to promise the referendum in the first place, simply because he wanted to shut up Gove and a few others in the Tory party. But I've moaned about that one previously, so I won't repeat.)
Last edited by KlaxonCow on Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:14 pm 0, edited 1 time in total.
"Words ought to be a little wild - for they are assaults of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes
- John Maynard Keynes
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
It was already totally shit for me. I couldn't even afford home. 100% of my money went on a room. How did the EU make my life better. I guess cheaper cheese and milk and straight cucumbers.zip accident wrote:Thousands of ways it could get worse are possible.Meow wrote:The country is mess, how can get any worse.
Most of those become a bit more likely with this stupid decision.
I'm so lucky I got out. It's almost impossible to make a decent life for yourself it's all stack against you.gravy wrote:Amazing how the people in this thread most vehement about the awfulness of the UK are those that don't live here.
.
.
.
.
....I'm the BEST thing that has ever happened to ME............I think therefore I'm a Yam.
.
.
.
....I'm the BEST thing that has ever happened to ME............I think therefore I'm a Yam.
-
pogo
- Sheepie Whore
- Posts: 14180
- Joined: Tue Sep 10, 2002 8:28 pm 0
- Yahoo Messenger: BrassSparrow
- Location: County Durham
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
So what happens now?
Article 50 and the start of a political stalemate
The vote is only advisory. To leave the EU the government needs to formally invoke Article 50, after which they have two years to negotiate a new settlement. The problem is that’s a hard deadline: if after 2 years no agreement can be found (and every country has a veto) then Britain is outside the EU, outside the Internal Market.
When will they invoke Article 50. Not soon. Cameron has already said it is a matter for his successor. And if the successor is someone from the Leave campaign they may find themselves in an impossible situation. Leave have made all sorts of promises which are unrealistic and contradictory. In particular we can’t retain access to the Internal Market, take back control of immigration, of regulation, and stop paying into the EU budget.
Some of their promises are likely impossible under all circumstances outside the EU: the City is a world centre for euro currency trading. Some countries think there is something wrong with so much euro trading taking place outside the eurozone. They have been unable to act on that while Britain was in the EU, able to veto any regulations that might change this. Britain will no longer have a veto outside the EU.
Whoever takes charge after Cameron might ask for guarantees from other EU countries, that Britain can retain full access to the internal market and financial markets, while taking charge of immigration, regulations, their contributions. No such guarantee will be available, partly as no such deal will be available, partly as countries will be reluctant to start negotiations before Article 50 is invoked.
So Article 50 might be postponed indefinitely, as the government cannot get the guarantees it “expects” based on the promises made in the referendum campaign. And this ignores the issue of getting the relevant laws passed by parliament, filled with mostly pro-Remain politicians – even if the govt. wants to leave MPs or Lords might halt it without firmer guarantees. I.e. stalemate, once it becomes clear what invoking Article 50 would trigger.
Article 50 and the start of a political stalemate
The vote is only advisory. To leave the EU the government needs to formally invoke Article 50, after which they have two years to negotiate a new settlement. The problem is that’s a hard deadline: if after 2 years no agreement can be found (and every country has a veto) then Britain is outside the EU, outside the Internal Market.
When will they invoke Article 50. Not soon. Cameron has already said it is a matter for his successor. And if the successor is someone from the Leave campaign they may find themselves in an impossible situation. Leave have made all sorts of promises which are unrealistic and contradictory. In particular we can’t retain access to the Internal Market, take back control of immigration, of regulation, and stop paying into the EU budget.
Some of their promises are likely impossible under all circumstances outside the EU: the City is a world centre for euro currency trading. Some countries think there is something wrong with so much euro trading taking place outside the eurozone. They have been unable to act on that while Britain was in the EU, able to veto any regulations that might change this. Britain will no longer have a veto outside the EU.
Whoever takes charge after Cameron might ask for guarantees from other EU countries, that Britain can retain full access to the internal market and financial markets, while taking charge of immigration, regulations, their contributions. No such guarantee will be available, partly as no such deal will be available, partly as countries will be reluctant to start negotiations before Article 50 is invoked.
So Article 50 might be postponed indefinitely, as the government cannot get the guarantees it “expects” based on the promises made in the referendum campaign. And this ignores the issue of getting the relevant laws passed by parliament, filled with mostly pro-Remain politicians – even if the govt. wants to leave MPs or Lords might halt it without firmer guarantees. I.e. stalemate, once it becomes clear what invoking Article 50 would trigger.
Re: EU referendum are you in or out
Well except people are reacting to the EU's position on how the UK need to leave, the reality of the pound collapse and that this won't mean extra money for the NHS.Whiteball wrote:I see reporting is no different now to what it was before - ie. biased.
The news reports the footsie was down blah blah. They failed to then say it actually finished up higher than it was the week before!
Nobody knows at this point what is going to happen. Wait till the dust settles. It's almost as bad as the two sides giving us arguments asgainst each other instread of real cold hard facts that are actuall reality not possible realities.
And remember, like I said before I voted remain. Can't believe how everyone is carrying on...
During the campaign lots of assertion were made by both sides but there's a shit load of actual information now the vote is done and dusted.
Not sure why you think people should just ignore that. Do you think people should keep their mouths shut while the car careers towards the wall and only pipe up after its crashed?