Raspberry Pi

[Cloudane]

Hotter! More noisy (cos active cooling is all but required now)! More power hungry! More expensive! The all new Raspberry Pi 5...

I feel it's kind of losing its "point" as a low power low cost board for tinkering. Could be good for those custom emulation boxes but at 15W Hmmm I think my m93p is doing a good job for similar consumption

[zip accident]

Hotter! More noisy (cos active cooling is all but required now)! More power hungry! More expensive! The all new Raspberry Pi 5...

I feel it's kind of losing its "point" as a low power low cost board for tinkering. Could be good for those custom emulation boxes but at 15W Hmmm I think my m93p is doing a good job for similar consumption

Twice as fast with 2.4 GHz vs 1.5 GHz is definitely pushing it.

What is an m93p?

[Cloudane]

Hotter! More noisy (cos active cooling is all but required now)! More power hungry! More expensive! The all new Raspberry Pi 5...

I feel it's kind of losing its "point" as a low power low cost board for tinkering. Could be good for those custom emulation boxes but at 15W Hmmm I think my m93p is doing a good job for similar consumption

Twice as fast with 2.4 GHz vs 1.5 GHz is definitely pushing it.

What is an m93p?

Tiny Thinkcentre PC, few years old now but often pop up on eBay as refurbs from office clearances, if you bide your time.you can get one for about £35

[arcaic]

Hotter! More noisy (cos active cooling is all but required now)! More power hungry! More expensive! The all new Raspberry Pi 5...

I feel it's kind of losing its "point" as a low power low cost board for tinkering. Could be good for those custom emulation boxes but at 15W Hmmm I think my m93p is doing a good job for similar consumption

Just because it can draw that much doesn't mean it always does.

"At all power levels, the Pi 5 can perform more using less energy than a Pi 4 at anything besides pure idle." https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/ ... berry-pi-5

So a watt more than a Pi4 at idle but at everything else at equivalent load it uses less power.

[skab]

This. A more powerful machine could do the same job/speed with less effort (power consumption/heat). At least if the power management (underclocking) works.

[skab]

Way more interesting question would be, can they deliver on time and in sufficient numbers?

I'm still waiting to get hold of a Compute Module 4 for my PiStorm32lite.

[venusian]

I feel it's kind of losing its "point" as a low power low cost board for tinkering.

That's not the point though. It was supposed to be a cheap, accessible computer for education, with the aspiration of creating a computer literate generation to follow in the footsteps of the home computer boom kids of the 80s. It's long since failed to be that. it's been hijacked by the home computer boom kids of the 80s building themselves media centres and games emulators. That's where the drive for moar power is coming from.

[Little stoned kiwi]

The project jumped the shark not long after launch. A charitable organization supposedly making hardware more accessible.
From the start the units were snapped up by nerds who wanted a new toy. I could never justify using them for any projects because they have always been overpowered and overpriced for tasks that call for microcontrollers or smaller microcomputer.

Perhaps the world has moved on, hardware is possibly more accessible. But I still struggle to identify the market for them.

The times I've been asked to use them (such as for a TV display unit or VoiP session border controller) I've found them to be somewhat delicate and unreliable. Being a hopped up microcomputer that's likely running a full Linux distro provides a large attack surface that probably isn't updated as often as it should be.

[skab]

Being a hopped up microcomputer that's likely running a full Linux distro provides a large attack surface that probably isn't updated as often as it should be.

There are several projects that use a hardcore approach to it and use them bare-bones as simple microcontrollers without any OS. If you need some power a 3A+ is a great option, lots of power and relatively cheap and small. Starting from the Pi4 things became somewhat complicated.

[zip accident]

Being a hopped up microcomputer that's likely running a full Linux distro provides a large attack surface that probably isn't updated as often as it should be.

There are several projects that use a hardcore approach to it and use them bare-bones as simple microcontrollers without any OS. If you need some power a 3A+ is a great option, lots of power and relatively cheap and small. Starting from the Pi4 things became somewhat complicated.

Pi 4 is the earliest that can do UHD/4k, I might even buy a version with more graphics but less CPU.

[Cloudane]

Good that the 5 can still do more with less.

We've had one running the interface for a remote controlled lighting installation that is prominent in the town (to set colour schedules etc) for 7 years now it's (touch wood) never failed. Even with some remote upgrades to newer OSes. It has me updating it once a week or so though. If I leave one day ... *Shrug*

[WiteWulf]

Being a hopped up microcomputer that's likely running a full Linux distro provides a large attack surface that probably isn't updated as often as it should be.

There are several projects that use a hardcore approach to it and use them bare-bones as simple microcontrollers without any OS. If you need some power a 3A+ is a great option, lots of power and relatively cheap and small. Starting from the Pi4 things became somewhat complicated.

Dave Winham's awesome mt32-pi, or example:
https://github.com/dwhinham/mt32-pi

[skab]

Dave Winham's awesome mt32-pi, or example:
https://github.com/dwhinham/mt32-pi

There are some emulation projects, like Pi1541 or the wonderful PiStorm with Emu68 that work bare-bones. You lose some features like WiFi that come for free with the Linux system, but you gain full speed (factor 30 (!) on PiStorm compared to the emulation running on Linux) and fast startup.