Jeff's in the news

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:19 pm 0

A Black Falcon wrote:I thought for a while that the fact that Sony isn't a totally stupid company and can see public sentiment as well as anyone should mean that they would realize how much bad press they are getting and take some steps to mitigate their concerns, but they haven't done that... they have just repeated the same old points again, expecting to win in the end. And while I certainly will admit that it might work -- Sony won two generations in a row, they could again, and the PS3 will surely sell very well at launch among the people willing to pay any price -- I'm really starting to wonder if they're putting far too much faith on the concept that since they are Sony and are the leaders they will just continue to be the leaders, no matter what. That overconfidence helped bring down previous industry leaders, and it could well happen again now if Sony doesn't do something...

Of course, then the question is "but what can they do?" and it is a good one. Sony has stuck itsself with their current policy and changing things would mean retreats on issues that they do not want to admit that they might be wrong on... so they continue to fail to adapt to the changes in public sentiment against them. It's far too early to say what the result will be, but at this rate...

(Of course, being in the console world first a Nintendo fan, I would love to see Sony go down, but after how successful they've been for two generations, seeing them miscalculate so badly is surprising...)

Well, it probably "proves" that despite everything there are quite a number
of people with quite some money in their hands very ready to spend it
for what they want no matter how much it costs.

They probably don't perceive the value of money itself as "value" but
they consider it just purely a media to obtain what they want and what
they want is all and precisely what they need.

I mean "the idea it costs too much" do not belong to them because
anyway they would not employ that money for anything else apart
what they want to have, the console, so basically they don't care at all about the price.

That probably (no, not really, I see money in a too much different way)
could apply to me IF "the console" would be the only thing I want in
my life .. but it's not, there are loads of other things so all has to be
"prioritized" depending on situations and such.

The moral of the story a campaing like the one Sony is doing is certainly
not and it does not work at all for people like me, because I perceive
the whole thing in a different way, but it quite surely well works for
the people perceiving the things differently so in a way Sony is right
do not change the tecniques that work.

But you see, it's a different thing .. if you say me Â£200 for a console I
can say "ok" .. if you say me Â£300 I can say "well .. ok if it's really really
good and it happends I really really want one" ..

If you start to tell me Â£400 .. Â£500 .. hmm .. nah, for that price I can
get two donkeys ..

.. a big number of plushies and quite a bit
of other toys ..

And no, even if it's technically possible I am not bringing into bed
the PS3 ...

But plushies are another matter

Mind you after quite a bit of gaming I want to do something else, I am
not spending all day doing all that .. well maybe once in a while ..
.. but then I need that donkey again and this is not going to change

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:22 pm 0

if they had only given me my Wipeout all this could have been avoided.

PFVA · Post by **PFVA** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:23 pm 0

Yak wrote:I want a Tipper plushie, and a Chevre plushie, and a Victoria plushie, and a Buck plushie .

Does any one know which stores in America are selling them? Toys R Us?
I can ship them.

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:24 pm 0

Yak wrote:if they had only given me my Wipeout all this could have been avoided.

Only your column, maybe, it would not have changed my opinion on
them for sure

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:27 pm 0

PFVA wrote:
Yak wrote:I want a Tipper plushie, and a Chevre plushie, and a Victoria plushie, and a Buck plushie .

Does any one know which stores in America are selling them? Toys R Us?
I can ship them.

As far as I know then aren't any plushies generally available outside of Japan! there really should be!

darkladywolf · Post by **darkladywolf** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:33 pm 0

Yak wrote:As far as I know then aren't any plushies generally available outside of Japan! there really should be!

Definitely! I want a Savannah one. *whine*

PFVA · Post by **PFVA** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:33 pm 0

I read the title on the Animal Crossing Forum too fast and i thought they were available here now.

Why only Japan? That's not fair.

NorthWay · Post by **NorthWay** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:03 am 0

Didn't I read somewhere (C&VG?) that SONY was looking for people to work on a new PS3 WipeOut?

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:07 am 0

A Black Falcon wrote:Of course, then the question is "but what can they do?" and it is a good one.

They could do with a change in their public image, imo, because Sony really has become the evil empire. I can't remember the last time I heard a Sony rep talk passionately about games, the console, or gaming in general, at least not in a convincing manner. Or simply talking about having fun with the PS3.

As a potential consumer, all I've heard is that the PS3 is going to be very expensive and that it's unlikely that I'll be able to afford it. It has a Blu-Ray player, which is something I had never even heard about before the PS3, and that I'm not really interested in. The E3 presentation was awkward and frankly, rather boring. None of the games I've seen so far look interesting to me. And then there's the insistence that the PS3 is not "just" a console, it's a computer and the attitude that "we don't care, because you'll buy it anyway".

Meanwhile, they seem to be having genuinely fun over at the Nintendo camp and even MS seem ready to do whatever it takes to be successful. I like that. I like the idea of a company that works hard for the money I give them, because I give them a lot of money.

Money, then. It is an issue for me. I don't make a whole of it and can't buy everything I want. I have to choose carefully and also take the price of the games into consideration. I bought the 360 after thinking long and hard about it. I thought it was too expensive, but MS seem unlikely to give up on it and intent on bringing out great games for it, so I went for it. I will probably buy the Wii, because it offers something unique, something the others don't have.

I probably will not buy a PS3, because I think it's too expensive and at this point it doesn't interest me and they don't seem to be very interested in me. I never bought a PS2 either, for the same reasons, and it's only lately that I regretted this even slightly.

All imo.

Crazy Ken wrote:The PS3 is not a game machine.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:29 am 0

The curse of Minter (Score:2, Funny)
by Threni (635302) on Friday July 07, @07:13PM (#15680206)

> Mr Minter, writing in his regular column for Edge,

That's it for Edge, then!

pap · Post by **pap** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:36 am 0

The thing that would definitely stop me buying the hardware would be if they go ahead with this rumoured "licensing model" for their game purchases.

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/n ... ionId=1006

Tepic · Post by **Tepic** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:52 am 0

they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property

Isn't that the case now? People will buy and sell their games regardless, it'll be Game et al that loose out there.

I can have some sympathy with the companies on the used software side. The publisher makes one sale, and the retailer sells the software over and over with inflated profits. I've seen Game offer Â£2 for pre-owned they sold for Â£20!

Jamesac · Post by **Jamesac** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:54 am 0

That rumor's been debunked a dozen times already. No worries on that front.

The PS3 is not a game machine.

Shame, really, because I'm in the market for one.

James

asr4096 · Post by **asr4096** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:03 am 0

I'm torn between PS3 and Oxbox360.
In the end the titles available will make me purchase one of them, whatever arrogant Sony behaves and they'll IMHO stick to it.
For PS3 speaks, that it's a system from Japan and therefore will be supplied with all those lovely weird Games from Asia (something like Vib Ribbon, Katamari Demacy, etc..). I dig those Titles and don't think Oxbox will get much of these.

For Oxbox360 speaks, it is not that expensive, it has Llamasoft inside and (don't know exactly, we know better in november) is equally powerful as PS3. Developers know it better because it's already on the market. Plus it has rumble. :-)

I guess i will buy one of these to play a certain killer-game. Bought my PS2 to play Burnout2 mainly, this game did it. And btw, i don't want to see any games that doesn't manage to deliver 60fps on this "next generation" ... Any High-Def Visual without high, constant framerate is IMHO useless junk.

Chuffmeister · Post by **Chuffmeister** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:47 am 0

I'm saving my pennies for PS3 ... I missed out on PS2 almost entirely and bought an XBox because I wanted to use it as a media center etc.

Every time I go to someones house who has PS2 I'm made really aware that the PS2 (for me) is just such a great machine with shitloads of good games. Hell, I even enjoyed developing for PS2 more than XBox.

So this time I'm not gonna miss out. I've got a little piggy bank into which I am stuffing the change from my pockets on sunday mornings.

I'm really looking forward to PS3.