Amanda Fucking Palmer

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Things have been quiet recently at least in part as she's been writing a book, inspired by her TED talk. Here's the cover

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The ALS bucket of ice water meme has of course reached her as an internet personality, which would be reason enough to post this, but it's much better than just that.

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The ALS bucket of ice water meme has of course reached her as an internet personality, which would be reason enough to post this, but it's much better than just that.

Nice promo! Single out next week is it?

Now if she'll just take the "hole drilled in your head" challenge she can empathize with the monkeys being experimented on for ALS.

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Now if she'll just take the "hole drilled in your head" challenge she can empathize with the monkeys being experimented on for ALS.

What is your problem? You don't like her music, fine you've made that very clear. So you want her dead? For doing something for charity, a charity which means a lot to her as her brother died from the disease.

Far worse things happen than animals being used in medical research, to save lives. Far more animals live in appalling conditions, unnaturally modified to grow faster/be fatter, before being killed brutally and early, just as some people like how they taste. Do you also wish death/torture on those people?

Another video, her husband doing his bit for ALS. Not only is this directly the result of her challenge but it's something that only happens because of her: he would not have done anything like this before his marriage. Reminds me of an earlier AfP video.

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Now if she'll just take the "hole drilled in your head" challenge she can empathize with the monkeys being experimented on for ALS.

What is your problem? You don't like her music, fine you've made that very clear. So you want her dead? For doing something for charity, a charity which means a lot to her as her brother died from the disease.

Back off Pogo. (o)(o) likes animals. A lot. So much so that he posts thinly veiled vegan related missives on forums EVEN IN COMPLETELY UNRELATED THREADS! Brave stuff really. He's even nearly a vegan himself. Sometimes.

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Now if she'll just take the "hole drilled in your head" challenge she can empathize with the monkeys being experimented on for ALS.

What is your problem? You don't like her music, fine you've made that very clear. So you want her dead? For doing something for charity, a charity which means a lot to her as her brother died from the disease.

Back off Pogo. (o)(o) likes animals. A lot. So much so that he posts thinly veiled vegan related missives on forums EVEN IN COMPLETELY UNRELATED THREADS! Brave stuff really. He's even nearly a vegan himself. Sometimes.

Animal experimentation is not veganism - nor do I claim to be something I'm not despite your persistence in regurgitating falsehoods. Very NICE troll THOUGH !

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Now if she'll just take the "hole drilled in your head" challenge she can empathize with the monkeys being experimented on for ALS.

What is your problem? You don't like her music, fine you've made that very clear. So you want her dead? For doing something for charity, a charity which means a lot to her as her brother died from the disease.

Far worse things happen than animals being used in medical research, to save lives. Far more animals live in appalling conditions, unnaturally modified to grow faster/be fatter, before being killed brutally and early, just as some people like how they taste. Do you also wish death/torture on those people?

Since you seem to have a skull that appears to be impenetrable - perhaps even with a drill - let me extend the argument far into the horizon to see if you can grasp anything about anything, at all :

Imagine you have a condition which affects 1 in 100,000,000 people...
A bunch of Z list celebs jumping on a bandwagon raising zillions of pounds for brutal research on brain damaged children..
Research which is results in scientific advance 0.001% of the time and is conducted mainly for profit..
Whist other more advanced methods of research are more successful..

Here's what Pamela Anderson had to say :

"I can't bring myself to do your Ice bucket challenge.

I enjoy a good dare- It's always good to bring awareness - in fun, creative ways / I don't want to take away from that.
but it had me thinking. Digging a bit deeper. I found that we may not be aligned - in our messages. So...
- I thought Instead / I'd challenge ALS to stop Animal testing /-- Recent experiments funded by the ALS Association, mice had holes drilled into their skulls, were inflicted with crippling illnesses, and were forced to run on an inclined treadmill until they collapsed from exhaustion. Monkeys had chemicals injected into their brains and backs and were later killed and dissected.

What is the result of these experiments (other than a lot of suffering)? In the past decade, only about a dozen experimental ALS treatments have moved on to human trials after being shown to alleviate the disease in animals. All but one of these treatments failed in humans—and the one that “passed” offers only marginal benefits to humans who suffer from ALS. This massive failure rate is typical for animal experiments, because even though animals feel pain and suffer like we do, their bodies often react completely differently to drugs and diseases. According to the FDA, 92 out of every 100 drugs that pass animal trials fail during the human clinical trial phase.

Sophisticated non-animal testing methods—including in vitro methods, advanced computer-modeling techniques, and studies with human volunteers, among others—have given us everything from the best life-saving HIV drugs to cloned human skin for burn victims. Trying to cure human diseases by relying on outdated and ineffective animal experiments isn’t only cruel—it’s a grave disservice to people who desperately need cures.

Please, help scientists make real progress toward treating and curing human diseases by visiting HumaneSeal.org to find and support charities that never harm animals and which pour their time and resources into advanced, promising, human-relevant cures."

Curiously the "rules" of the ice bucket challenge state :

Those involved the ice bucket challenge can either choose to have a bucket of ice and water dumped over their heads within 24 hours of them being nominated, as well as donating $10, or write out a cheque of $100 to an ALS charity of choice.

So are these celebs copping out of writing a $100 cheque??

Also interesting to note "philanthropist" Bill Gates who has dedicated his life to 'giving his money away' took the bucket test. What a top bloke - No.1 in Forbes rich list worth an estimated $76 billion - encouraging others to reach into their pockets.

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Now if she'll just take the "hole drilled in your head" challenge she can empathize with the monkeys being experimented on for ALS.

What is your problem? You don't like her music, fine you've made that very clear. So you want her dead? For doing something for charity, a charity which means a lot to her as her brother died from the disease.

Back off Pogo. (o)(o) likes animals. A lot. So much so that he posts thinly veiled vegan related missives on forums EVEN IN COMPLETELY UNRELATED THREADS! Brave stuff really. He's even nearly a vegan himself. Sometimes.

Animal experimentation is not veganism - nor do I claim to be something I'm not despite your persistence in regurgitating falsehoods. Very NICE troll THOUGH !

What falsehood ? I know you're not a vegan despite wanking on about it continually. That's the point I'm making.

Just saying you care about animals so much you'll piss in any thread about them, wank on about the health benefits and efficacy of vegan diets while not actually being fucked to take your own advice.

You're in good company with Pammy though. She's been caught out using a variety of products have died to make over the years. Excellent example of someone holding a position where the prime motivation seems to be image enhancement rather than any detailed interest in the underlying issues.

But there you go

As for the Ice Bucket Challenge? Jimaroid made an excellent point on Facebook:

This is why I won't be taking part in the ice bucket challenge. Fuck you, Internet, water is a basic human necessity that 1 in 10 people don't have and you're amusing yourselves wasting it. This is real charity.

http://www.wateraid.org/

I can see the logic of that. Then again I'm not quite on board with doing a calculus of suffering to decide where time, effort and attention is put. The ancillary benefits of going to the moon worked out pretty significant but using GRIEF MATH it'd have been really hard to justify.

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What falsehood ? I know you're not a vegan ...

Trolls like this :

...he posts thinly veiled vegan related missives on forums EVEN IN COMPLETELY UNRELATED THREADS!

He's even nearly a vegan himself.

Why are YOU raising the subject of veganism.

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You feeling alright there gravy?

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You're in good company with Pammy though. She's been caught out using a variety of products have died to make over the years. Excellent example of someone holding a position where the prime motivation seems to be image enhancement rather than any detailed interest in the underlying issues.

This merits responding to however.

Your comprehension of Anderson's striving toward greater civility is a bit crude.

Pamela Anderson is authentic in her motivation - this is pretty obvious given that she's been campaigning on the same grounds for years.

Failing to meet IDEALS or being imperfect is not hypocrisy. Doing your honest best is good enough.

Let's take Richard Dawkins as another example. He admits he can't argue with the logic of vegetarianism but has struggled to change his behaviour.

WHAT A piss fucked OF wanking PISSING SHIT eh!

On the contrary, I find his honesty commendable.

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No that is hypocrisy.

And pretty terrible hypocrisy at that. Not eating an egg isn't a titanic battle against adversity that even attempting to do should garner admiration.

It's a piece of piss.

Same goes for Anderson. The same time as campaigning for Col. Saunders statue to be torn down (hey much better use of time / attention that helping battle ALS eh?) she was driving around in a car with a leather interior and took a stripping gig to promote a steak bar.

That's not getting like getting a silver medal in the Olympics. It's more like a fat PE teacher shouting at kids to exercise.

re: Dawkins. He's getting pretty unstable eh? Some of the statements his 'logic' lead him to this week are astounding.

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No that is hypocrisy.

No - it's honesty and self awareness. Endearing qualities!

Hypocrisy is the claim or pretence of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviours, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold.

Dawkins recognises his imperfections and aspires to do better.

He doesn't claim to be flawless nor does Pamela Anderson.

Maybe eating a vegan diet is a piece of piss. Have you tried it? Or are you just claiming to know how easy it is without actually having tried it yourself.

re: Dawkins. He's getting pretty unstable eh? Some of the statements his 'logic' lead him to this week are astounding.

Not really - Dawkins comments are often framed out of context and in a negative way. The big lie is Dawkins is a "militant" athiest, or a highly irrational "unstable" person etc. On the contrary he's extremely rational whilst retaining human qualities. Sometimes he's almost too honest for his own good, and you can see the media twist his words and how try to portray him in a bad light. He's attacked on a personal level. Because what he says has substance and some people have difficulty with cognitive dissonance.

Hypocrisy is sort of the opposite of what Dawkins is about. It takes a lot of guts to be open and honest and admit to your failings. Most people put on a front / pretence.. bravado etc...

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You're in good company with Pammy though. She's been caught out using a variety of products have died to make over the years. Excellent example of someone holding a position where the prime motivation seems to be image enhancement rather than any detailed interest in the underlying issues.

Much as I have no specific interest in defending Pamela Anderson, I think that might be a load of shit.

I know that animals lead fucking terrible lives when they're raised for food or furniture or whatever, and I know that that's bad, and I'm not afraid to tell people that it happens and that it's bad... but I'm going to keep on eating them just as long as they keep on being yummy[*]. I prefer not to sit on them, but that's more about my sweaty butt than any ethical position.

Nobody gives a fuck. I don't expect anybody to give a fuck. Even I don't give a fuck, and it's my dinner we're talking about. But if I was famous a few decades ago then people would be shitting all over me for trying to maintain an "image" with that same position.


[*] moving to the US has made me realise that this may end soon, as the industrialisation is ruining the flavour.

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This is Dawkins when someone said they wouldn't know what they'd do if they found their unborn baby had downs:



Horrendous anti-logic; claiming a universal truth for all instances irrespective of parent's capability or willingness to have a child with 'defects'. Wow, absolutist moral stance instead of reasoning the best way forward based on the cicumstances, sounds a lot like the worst aspects of religion to me.

He did apologise but one of those awful apologies where you're sorry for the reactions of others but not for what you said.

And he, along with Pamela Anderson, is your appeal to authority?

Back to ALS, really not keen on Amanda Palmer but I can completely understand someone wanting to help find a cure for a disease that killed her brother. I can understand the disdain for a lot of celebrtities jumping on this wagon but you've picked one of the few that actually has a rock solid case for doing what they're doing.

Are you going to apologise?

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This is Dawkins when someone said they wouldn't know what they'd do if they found their unborn baby had downs:



Horrendous anti-logic; claiming a universal truth for all instances irrespective of parent's capability or willingness to have a child with 'defects'. Wow, absolutist moral stance instead of reasoning the best way forward based on the cicumstances, sounds a lot like the worst aspects of religion to me.

He did apologise but one of those awful apologies where you're sorry for the reactions of others but not for what you said.

Good example there of

Dawkins comments are often framed out of context and in a negative way.

Complete distortion of what he said - taken in context the comment was clearly from his own position of what he would do, in a hypothetical scenario. Most women in fact do terminate if they find their unborn has Downs. Don't underestimate Dawkins. He understands information flow very well. He defined the word "meme". His apparent clumsiness may well be - on occasion - be a finely contrived method of getting important topics into the public domain.

Pamela Anderson makes an important point. You can do a lot better with your $100... see HERE and If you really want to support medical research, get on the phone to your member of Congress and demand a stop to cutting the National Institutes of Health budget, experts say. That’s because private donations are a figurative drop in the bucket compared to U.S. government funding. Throwing money at arcane animal experiments that usually lead nowhere is not only cruel but of a waste of resources. Read this :

We are in a pharmaceutical ice age where fewer drugs are being developed. But new computer modelling and bioengineering techniques could revitalise the industry – and make animal testing obsolete

And he, along with Pamela Anderson, is your appeal to authority?

No.

Back to ALS, really not keen on Amanda Palmer but I can completely understand someone wanting to help find a cure for a disease that killed her brother. I can understand the disdain for a lot of celebrtities jumping on this wagon but you've picked one of the few that actually has a rock solid case for doing what they're doing.

Are you going to apologise?

Let's see you hold yourself to the same standards before challenging others

I'll apologise - after you apologise for the comments below. Wouldn't want to be accused of hypocrisy would we!?

Just saying you care about animals so much you'll piss in any thread about them, wank on about the health benefits and efficacy of vegan diets while not actually being fucked to take your own advice.

@Gumboot - I may not agree with you, but straight talking.. I can respect that.