PC Leader Board?

[VanAlphen]

Forward+Button is something I haven't tried yet, thanks for the hint.

I've been so frustrated about these impossible warp levels (also those opaque Minotaurs can fuck right off too) that I focused on Survival recently. I had long achieved level 51 for Ultra, but had yet to beat the top score.

It's rather challenging and also feels somewhat more rewarding, playstyle needs to be quite different when every life counts. Made it all the way to 75 in my best game.

75 in Survival mode wtg!

I think Tempest Nut mapped forward to a button so he could keep that pressed while using his spinner. So not forward + button but forward button.

[Deckard]

I will have another go with that new knowledge about the green levels later but Pure is a huge time commitment at several hours - its shame they didnt offer the option to strip out the bonus levels on Pure like Survival does as that would lessen the time to play and take out the green level problem.

[Tempest Nut]

After looking at the leaderboard again I'm going to officially call BS on the two scores of the nonexistent Steam member named "sacharly", looking at his high scores, his Pure score is only 9500 points below his classic score! which wouldn't be a problem his classic score wasn't seemingly impossible to begin with...

I say nonexistent Steam member because I tried looking up this person on Steam so I could ask him about his "high scores" only to find that no such user name is on Steam?!?

As far as I know, you must be a Steam member and be logged into Steam for your game scores to appear on the Steam leaderboards?

[rowan]

Name looks like "sacharyl", did you search for the wrong guy?

I couldn't find "sacharyl" but there's a "sachary1"
edit: Actually I can see from VanAlphen's name [which does contain lower l] in the high score that the last character of sachary1 is not an "l".

It looks the same as the 1 digits in scores themselves, I reckon it's "sachary1".

[Tempest Nut]

Name looks like "sacharyl", did you search for the wrong guy?

I couldn't find "sacharyl" but there's a "sachary1"
edit: Actually I can see from VanAlphen's name [which does contain lower l] in the high score that the last character of sachary1 is not an "l".

It looks the same as the 1 digits in scores themselves, I reckon it's "sachary1".

You're right!

But that doesn't change that his scores are impossible, over 27,000,000 in classic, and his pure score is only 9500 points behind that, It would take another 30 to 40 levels past the end of the game to get 10,000,000 more points, or more...

A game I might add, that can't be finished because of the end-of-game bug...

[Tempest Nut]

So can you actually complete the later green trail levels ? I only get the first 2 then always fail the next 5 or 6 and lose a good 5-10 million because of it.....

A rings bonus round, you can get around 100,000 points...
The green trail bonus round, you can get as much as 900,000...

So to get an extra 10,000,000 points, you would need 11 more completed green trail bonus rounds or 10 more green trails and 10 more rings!

VanAlphen and I maximized how many bonus rounds you can get in a game, at every fourth level if we didn't have the four triangles for a bonus round we would keep going back and playing those four over and over until we got a triangle and good points for each level...

It's just not possible to get 10 more green trails and 10 more rings bonus rounds over the 100 levels a game than what we got...

There are only 25 bonus rounds possible per game IF you could get one every fourth level, BUT, you can't get a triangle on every level because some levels are just too short, so that drops it down to only 23 or 24 bonus rounds possible per a 100 level game AND we made sure to get every one you can, AND as we all know there are a few bonus rounds nobody can complete, even IF someone could that is nowhere close to an extra 10,000,000 points...

[hairy_pete]

There is at least one green track warp round that yields more than two million - and we don't know how long the "impossible" ones actually go. So if and when we figure how to get through these we might get there.

The thing with the "restart best" points is, these don't remember where you were with the warp rounds, you'll always get the first one that barely yields one million. Therefore even the "perfect" restart points that stem from maxed out warp triangle leeching potentially won't get you as high a score as a perfect Pure Mode game could.

So in theory, if we learn how to get through those track gaps, and then pull off a near-perfect Pure Mode game, my estimation is we'll be in the 25 million ballpark if not higher.

[Tempest Nut]

There is at least one green track warp round that yields more than two million - and we don't know how long the "impossible" ones actually go. So if and when we figure how to get through these we might get there.

The thing with the "restart best" points is, these don't remember where you were with the warp rounds, you'll always get the first one that barely yields one million. Therefore even the "perfect" restart points that stem from maxed out warp triangle leeching potentially won't get you as high a score as a perfect Pure Mode game could.

So in theory, if we learn how to get through those track gaps, and then pull off a near-perfect Pure Mode game, my estimation is we'll be in the 25 million ballpark if not higher.

The point is IF it can be done, VanAlphen or myself have done it and we both ended up with around 17,000,000 point...

10,000,000 above that is just not possible with the game as it is now...

Sure, fix the green trails and the end of game bug, and all bets are off, BUT they are not fixed, which makes the max score possible around 17,000,000 points give or take a million...

And a perfect pure mode game is possible BUT making through 100 level without at least a few of the most notorious levels biting you on the butt is why no one's pure scores are close to there classic scores unless they really didn't play classic much...

And a "two million" green trail is easy enough to check, I've just go back over all the game play footage and look, but I don't believe that is a thing, but I could be wrong on that one, IF there is one you can bet it's part of our scores...

[Tempest Nut]

There is at least one green track warp round that yields more than two million

I went back and reviewed some pure mode games that made it to the end of all 100 levels, and there are no "two million or more" green trail bonus rounds, at least not on the PC version...

Here is how they typically go, starting with a rings round and going back and forth with green trail rounds...

rings 72000 points

green trail 866634 points

rings 98250 points

green trail 918457 points

rings 91400 points

green trail 885592 points

rings 90500 points

green trail 0 points "Failed" no trail from start

rings 68500 points

green trail 370064 points "Failed" trail gone halfway through

rings 76250 points

And the game is done, and IF you could finish the game on the PC (you can't), you get 200000 points for every extra life you have...

It is possible to get one or two more bonus rounds, BUT that still gets you nowhere close to an extra 10,000,000 points over the 17,000,000 points of a classic game...

So again, there is no legit way to get 27,000,000 points in a classic game, let alone a pure game. just not possible.

[Tempest Nut]

The thing with the "restart best" points is, these don't remember where you were with the warp rounds, you'll always get the first one that barely yields one million. Therefore even the "perfect" restart points that stem from maxed out warp triangle leeching potentially won't get you as high a score as a perfect Pure Mode game could.

Well then, going by that theory, you should be able to get MORE in a classic game because the bonus points for green trail are all around the same 900,000 points, give or take a few 100,000 points, and the same goes mostly for the ring rounds (they are all around 90,000 point, except the first one which is around 18,000 points less), SOOOO since you will never see the "impossible green trail" bonus rounds in a classic game (unless you play it straight through) you bonus rounds will always be possible, unlike a pure game that you are certain to get one or two impossible green trail rounds, so by your own theory you can never get close to a well maximized classic game, correct???

There is at least one green track warp round that yields more than two million - and we don't know how long the "impossible" ones actually go. So if and when we figure how to get through these we might get there.

So in theory, if we learn how to get through those track gaps, and then pull off a near-perfect Pure Mode game, my estimation is we'll be in the 25 million ballpark if not higher.

PS - I don't know where you are getting your "bonus points" numbers from, but they are fairly consistent throughout the game give or take a little, it may seem like you can get a lot more than normal in some rounds but if you record them and go back and crunch the numbers you will see they are very close to the same throughout the game, at least on the PC...

[hairy_pete]

I've just played again - on PS4 mind - and I confirm that past those that have gaps, there is a green track bonus round that yields 2M points. I shall be recording when I find time again - never used that feature on PS4 though.

Also, I think I'm onto something with those gaps. I have a reliable way to make the 1st one way worse, and doing the opposite got me notably further (but not through) on the later ones.

[hairy_pete]

(Double post)

[Tempest Nut]

I've just played again - on PS4 mind - and I confirm that past those that have gaps, there is a green track bonus round that yields 2M points. I shall be recording when I find time again - never used that feature on PS4 though.

Also, I think I'm onto something with those gaps. I have a reliable way to make the 1st one way worse, and doing the opposite got me notably further (but not through) on the later ones.

Yeah, a two-million-point bonus round is not a thing on the PC, Maybe VanAlphen has seen otherwise??? Have you seen one VanAlphen? Speaking of VanAlphen, for the record, He is the best all-around gamer I've ever seen. The only way I bested his first-place scores in Tempest 4000 was to play the game for over 800 hours using my spinner, and even then, it was only by a hair more... That and the fact that he had moved on to other games by that point...

How many unbreachable green trail bonus rounds are there in a game of pure on the PS4?

And how many points does 1st place on the PS4 leaderboards have for pure and classic?

[hairy_pete]

There are three or four green tracks with gaps on PS4, the two-million one is right after those.

PS4 world best in Pure mode is held by me at 16.3 million, Survival also me at 4.4 million and level 75, Classic someone else at 28 million - my best here being 18. All played with the standard inbox PS4 controller on a 4K Panasonic 65" LCD in low latency Game mode.

[Tempest Nut]

There are three or four green tracks with gaps on PS4, the two-million one is right after those.

PS4 world best in Pure mode is held by me at 16.3 million, Survival also me at 4.4 million and level 75, Classic someone else at 28 million - my best here being 18. All played with the standard inbox PS4 controller on a 4K Panasonic 65" LCD in low latency Game mode.

I'd love to see how you handle certain levels that kill me a lot, there are a few that are just a roll of the dice for me and that sucks!

I'd love to see video of someone getting 28 million in classic and see where they are getting over a third more points than everyone else?!