Trump

[gumboot]

This should put Hilary back well ahead of Trump, and hopefully keep her their until November.

Only until the month starts? the vote isn't on the first.

I think I know what you mean, but if so, you didn't say it.

Keep her whose what?

[pogo]

You could not make this stuff up:

Hours After First Intelligence Briefing, Trump Likely Leaked CLASSIFIED Secrets

So the people (not all of them Democrats) who said Trump could not be trusted with national security matters? They were right.

edit: and this:



I don’t think Trump means as some has interpreted it that he means to physically hit people. It’s just he has the verbal skills of a 12 year old and it’s badly phrased. But it’s more this is how he respond to criticism. No actual response, or attempt to refute it. Not even saying what he disagrees with or who his gripe is with. Just a vague and meaningless threat, especially as we know all his “hit” will be is another amateurish tweet or series of them.

[PFVA]

Don't worry, nxt Donald Trump will be saying the Saudis have to pay the US money for having the base there, and if they don't he will close it.

I haven't decided yet if he is always very drunk or if he is completly nuts.

I don't see him winning but if he does it sure is going to get interesting.

[F-ZeroOne]

Never mind, his Vice-President will keep him in line:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ar-BBv08xz

Oh, dear.

[pogo]

Lol, they don’t have a clue.

They are right that whoever becomes president gets to pick one or more new Supreme Court justices; given the divided state of that could determine its makeup for a long time. And it may be Trump’s strongest issue. He many be a talentless narcissistic bigot but he is at least a Republican.

Problem is – Roe vs. Wade ?!? That case, which made abortion legal as a constitutional right, is broadly popular. Yes, there are some who would ban abortion but they are a minority and will vote Republican anyway. Most Americans support it – they support abortion being rare but legal. Especially women, who make up most of the electorate and now have another reason to vote for Clinton. It’s precisely the wrong thing to highlight right now, when trying to appeal to independent and swing voters.

[k345y]

Seems that as the US gains an arse the UK needs a new one...


ARSE REQUIRED

[gumboot]

Did I read that treason is still a capital offense in the UK? Surely the US can only have equal or harsher punishments.

[F-ZeroOne]

Hes really good at this, isn't he?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36935175

[Darkflame]

Been following some of that on the twitter(sphere?). Interestingly this is the one time I found almost no one defending the guy.
Pretty much every other horrible thing he has said or threatened to do if elected gets some defenders, even if its ye-old "Hillary is worse!!!", but the response to this seems fairly universal condemnation.

[pogo]

There was that time a few days ago when he invited Russia to hack US government computers. I don’t recall anyone defending him then either. He soon after said he was joking, which was sort of plausible but it just highlights how all of Trump’s campaign is one big joke. Everything he says is presented the same way, whether offensive banter, racist taunts, simple lies, or (very occasionally) reasonable political points. If we’re supposed to treat one part of it as a joke then the rest of it is, as it’s all the same when he says it.

[pogo]

He won’t drop it: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0932982784

Mr. Khan, who does not know me, viciously attacked me from the stage of the DNC and is now all over T.V. doing the same - Nice!

How many ways is this wrongheaded? Well, first Mr Khan did not viciously attack Trump. He forcefully criticised him. He said that Trump had not read the Constitution, which Mr Khan could not know but is a fair assumption given how many of Trump’s proposals are unconstitutional. He said Trump has not sacrificed anything and this is true. Living a high life, spending daddy’s fortune is not sacrificing himself. Not like members of the armed forces do.

Problem is Trump attacking Khan just encourages people to watch his short segment and see for themselves. And most reasonable people will agree with Khan. So it’s poor tactics to highlight this particular segment of the Democratic National Convention.

Especially as there’s an unwritten rule in American politics that you don’t attack servicemen and servicewomen. This applies doubly to those who were killed in action, and verterans. They are much more prominent in American life, and across the political spectrum all politicians normally go out of their way to treat them with respect and deference.

[zip accident]

He won’t drop it: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0932982784

Mr. Khan, who does not know me, viciously attacked me from the stage of the DNC and is now all over T.V. doing the same - Nice!

How many ways is this wrongheaded? Well, first Mr Khan did not viciously attack Trump. He forcefully criticised him. He said that Trump had not read the Constitution, which Mr Khan could not know but is a fair assumption given how many of Trump’s proposals are unconstitutional. He said Trump has not sacrificed anything and this is true. Living a high life, spending daddy’s fortune is not sacrificing himself. Not like members of the armed forces do.

Problem is Trump attacking Khan just encourages people to watch his short segment and see for themselves. And most reasonable people will agree with Khan. So it’s poor tactics to highlight this particular segment of the Democratic National Convention.

Especially as there’s an unwritten rule in American politics that you don’t attack servicemen and servicewomen. This applies doubly to those who were killed in action, and verterans. They are much more prominent in American life, and across the political spectrum all politicians normally go out of their way to treat them with respect and deference.

Trump as president would be really unpleasant.

I don't understand how the Republicans selected him.

I don't understand how the USA won't elect him.

[F-ZeroOne]

Oh, I understand how the Republicans elected him. Hes pretty much the embodiment of what they're been working towards for at least the past decade, its just that (from their point of view) the wrong body has been em'dmented.

[pogo]

A lot longer than a decade. There are two key events you can trace it back to.

The Republicans’ “Southern Strategy”. In the 1960s, at the time of civil rights became the party of white privilege, Republicans captured the votes of whites in the South unhappy that their racist dominance was coming to an end. They then aligned themselves with many policies which favoured whites or disadvantaged blacks. They were rarely overtly racist but used code and dog-whistles to ensure white racist voters knew who to vote for.

Newt Gingrich’s 1994 “Contract With America”. This was the start of a new strategy from Republicans. Rather than compromise with Democrats when there was a divided government, such as a Democrat president (Bill Clinton then) and Republican Congress, they would instead put forward their own policies on a take it or leave it basis. It achieved very little, but was seen by Republicans as a political success, since then they have largely stopped working collaboratively with Democrats at all, and has increasingly discredited the system of Government.

So Trump’s racism is nothing new, he’s just cruder and more obvious in the way he shows it. His status as outsider is not new, it’s the culmination of Gingrich turning the Republican party into a party of revolution and insurrection. The other factor is demographic; Republicans have been doing worse as the proportion of white voters shrinks. But rather than try and fix it by broadening their appeal they have doubled down by choosing someone even more extreme. They maybe hope he will help turn out their voters and maybe he will. But he will turn off many and drive many Democrats to the polls to keep him out too.

[pogo]

How the ‘Stupid Party’ Created Donald Trump