The Dr Who thread

D.J.Fudge · Post by **D.J.Fudge** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:15 pm 0

Ollie wrote:One big problem with it AFAIAC: how the hell did Pete Tyler know to pop through at precisely that moment in order to catch Rose?

(Also the music afterwards was particularly crap; but I can forgive that on the basis that it's not a big gaping plot hole.)

Driller wrote:Wonder if the escaping Dalek is the one that Van Statten acquires for his collection?
Crossed my mind, but nope: wrong colour. Also irritating in that it somehow wasn't being sucked in along with the rest of them when it did that. Again, though, a minor annoyance as it wasn't a gaping plot hole.

And why wasn't Pete Tyler sucked in when he popped through?

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:17 pm 0

D.J.Fudge wrote:And why wasn't Pete Tyler sucked in when he popped through?

He's a hero. Heros don't get sucked into hell in the last five minutes

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:17 pm 0

D.J.Fudge wrote:And why wasn't Pete Tyler sucked in when he popped through?

Was going to mention that too, but I suppose you could argue he popped out again before he had time to get sucked in. Again, an annoyance rather than a big fucking gaping plot hole.

I was also disappointed they didn't make more out of the fact that one of the Daleks was called Khan...

Wumpus4x4 · Post by **Wumpus4x4** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:18 pm 0

Liked that. The "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" posturing when the Daleks encountered the Cybermen made me laugh, but I did think that RTD was screwing up the Daleks' (lack of) character in order to get in a couple of jokes, until the fact that these were "special" Daleks was explained. Competently done I thought.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:18 pm 0

I wouldn't call it an annoyance. I'd call it entertaining.

Kelloggs · Post by **Kelloggs** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:19 pm 0

D.J.Fudge wrote:And why wasn't Pete Tyler sucked in when he popped through?

I suspect if he stayed there any longer, he would have been.. but I think the correct answer is plot.

So, by the escaping Dalek uttering "Emergency temporal shift!" we can conclude that they still have time travel technology... I wonder when that one will turn up again.

Matrixxx · Post by **Matrixxx** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:22 pm 0

I'm wondering what they will do about the converted cybermen that have never travelled the void, or the fmale leader of torchwood who still has her voice and mental acuity in place inside the tin !

As for rose, damn but I cried as she was letting go of the handle, contemplating how life would be for her in a nothingness void. Then POOF, Pete shows up to save the day, what a guy, what a GREAT END, and I disagree whole heartedly about the music, I thought it fitted perfectly.

The Dalek Cyberman bitchfight had me in Stitches....

And the IDENTIFY bit just reminded me of kids in a playground, simply Wonderful television.

I "got" what the genesis arc was about 20 seconds before it opened, after all, why release davros into mid air ? makes no sense.

I'm glad it ended the way it did and I thought all actors put in a mindlblowing performance. Best ever episode, and last weeks was hard to top, but they did it, by GOD, they did it.

Barney · Post by **Barney** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:24 pm 0

So... a parallel Torchwood?

Given how *our* Torchwood came about... How did theirs come about?

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:25 pm 0

Kelloggs wrote:I suspect if he stayed there any longer, he would have been.. but I think the correct answer is plot.

What, you mean to make up for the complete lack of any plot explaining how he knew to pop through at that precise moment?

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:27 pm 0

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:28 pm 0

Matrixxx wrote:I'm wondering what they will do about the converted cybermen that have never travelled the void, or the fmale leader of torchwood who still has her voice and mental acuity in place inside the tin !

I think we have to assume that their cyber-bodies, or at any rate most of the parts used to assemble them from, had been brought through the void and therefore got sucked back in.

Matrixxx · Post by **Matrixxx** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:29 pm 0

Ollie wrote:
Matrixxx wrote:I'm wondering what they will do about the converted cybermen that have never travelled the void, or the fmale leader of torchwood who still has her voice and mental acuity in place inside the tin !
I think we have to assume that their cyber-bodies, or at any rate most of the parts used to assemble them from, had been brought through the void and therefore got sucked back in.

Hmm, yeah good point, along with the earpods and stuff as mentioned in the Army of ghosts.

I LOVE how Rose explained what she did to the Emporer, I swear that Dalek almost learned how to pass wind !

Zoot · Post by **Zoot** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:33 pm 0

I loved the *completeness* of it. Without spoilers, they knew Rose was leaving, but it had to be complete, y'now.

Fucking inspired. made me cry

arron · Post by **arron** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:34 pm 0

It was sort of OK.

It's a shame they wankered up the storyline for the purposes of spectacle..I'd have preferred something a lot more subtle, like finding the Eye of Harmony at the centre of the Ark. Or the Master.

It would have been so much better for Rose to wind up coming to a sticky end..or for all her family and Mickey to wind up being killed because the Doctor had to do other things and then Rose blaming the Doctor for not saving them..then going off in a huff with her life destroyed. Or being trapped in the Voidship in the Ark..Virtually anything really. To push the Doctor psychologically over the edge that he's totally destroyed the life of the one person he really cared about..

dreadster · Post by **dreadster** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:36 pm 0

Ollie wrote:
Kelloggs wrote:I suspect if he stayed there any longer, he would have been.. but I think the correct answer is plot.
What, you mean to make up for the complete lack of any plot explaining how he knew to pop through at that precise moment?

He probably popped through at a safe distance for a recce before popping back home and them popping through again in the right spot and at the right time. The Doctor and Rose were just too busy holding on and dodging flying daleks to notice.

Oh, and why were only daleks and no cybermen flying past them into the void?