The Dr Who thread

[Driller]

Wonder if they are saving up their budget for a LoTR Helm's Deep-style epic fall of Gallifrey battle flashback in season three? Get prepared for about 11 episodes of the Doctor in a quarry because all their budget will be spent on the CG

[Driller]

also - how front line was the Doctor? I can't see the TARDIS heliping out too much in the space battle. That's what the Battle TARDIS's are for.

Front line street battle? Sure, I can see that.

[Matrixxx]

Pretty good episode, however, a few questions spring to mind:

- Why was the Black Dalek "surprised" at the mention of the Emperor by Rose?

- Exactly how naughty does a dalek have to be to be put into a prison ship?

- The renegade Cyber(wo)man - how?

1) Wouldnt you be, if err, you were a dalek and a lowly human knew someone from your race ? royalty even ?

2) Maybe the Dalek's in there went nuts and started killing other Dalek's, or maybe they are all members of a tattoo'd mutant faction hell bent on destroying the emporer. Or Dalek's with emotion, ie: not completely purged.

3) Awwwwwwwwwwwww will power of course, just like omega. It was a lovely moment when she cried using the official tear duct. Couldnt get that "Gandalf vs the Balrog" scene out of my head though - "YOU WILL NOT PA-a-a-a-aSSSS"

[Zoot]

2) Maybe the Dalek's in there went nuts and started killing other Dalek's, or maybe they are all members of a tattoo'd mutant faction hell bent on destroying the emporer. Or Dalek's with emotion, ie: not completely purged.

I didn't read it like that - I thought that they were prisoners of the Timelords, not the other Daleks. So they were naughty simply by virtue of being Daleks.

[Purple Grapefruit]

That was an excellent finale.Billie Piper's
stunning performance in particular had me wondering, what if she had the same opportunites
as the Keanu Reeves of this world.

It would have been so much better for Rose to wind up coming to a sticky end..or for all her family and Mickey to wind up being killed because the Doctor had to do other things and then Rose blaming the Doctor for not saving them..then going off in a huff with her life destroyed. Or being trapped in the Voidship in the Ark..Virtually anything really. To push the Doctor psychologically over the edge that he's totally destroyed the life of the one person he really cared about..

It was intense enough as it was.If that happened i think my head would of imploded.

And Finally, rid of Billy.

Yes, I did enjoy this episode very much. Shame its such a wait now. Here's to season 3 - note to RTD - no more veiled love affairs with assistants, particularly not ones with woefully inadequate acting skills please.

Do you mean Jack or Rose or both?

- Why was the Black Dalek "surprised" at the mention of the Emperor by Rose?

Well emperors are special rare types.Commoners meetings with them only come about by royal invite only i've heard.

. Can you imagine Margaret Thatcher after the cyberconversion process?

Not neccessary.....She was the original "Iron lady",far more scary than a cyberman.

[Kelloggs]

- The renegade Cyber(wo)man - how?

My best guess is, a combination of the "at least a basic level of psychic training" that everyone at Torchwood receives, bolstered by her mantra of "I did my duty for Queen and country." Hmm. Independent thought in bulletproof Cyber-armour - could be useful... and, she didn't have any void travel on her CV, either.

[Matrixxx]

2) Maybe the Dalek's in there went nuts and started killing other Dalek's, or maybe they are all members of a tattoo'd mutant faction hell bent on destroying the emporer. Or Dalek's with emotion, ie: not completely purged.

I didn't read it like that - I thought that they were prisoners of the Timelords, not the other Daleks. So they were naughty simply by virtue of being Daleks.

Imprisoning a lifeform for simply being a destructive lifeform, unable to change it's own destiny isn't the timelords "thang" or half the galaxy would be in them.

Maybe i'm just reading too deep into it though.

[Driller]

Prison ship?

I read it that the Timelords and the Dalek's were at war. Don't people keep prisoners during the war? Or it could have been a case where they were imprisoned within the ship to keep them out of the way to be dealt with later.

[DutchLlama]

You know I think Rose will be back. She'll be back once Billie realizes what a good thing she was on to. I doubt she'll ever do anything to top this during her entire career.

[DutchLlama]

BTW the end of Doomsday was the most Ruining The Moment event EVAH in history.

I seriously can't believe they think that was a good cliffhanger. It was pulled up by it's bootstraps using a time vortex, literally.

[Bog]

Last two episodes.

Firefly Grade.

Can't say better than that.

[phattslagg]

Last two episodes.

Firefly Grade.

Can't say better than that.

Ooh.. now you've got me all hot, thinking of a Whedon-penned episode of Dr. Who..

[Flabio]

Last two episodes.

Firefly Grade.

Steady on, I wouldn't go quite that far myself...

[DutchLlama]

Last two episodes.

Firefly Grade.

Can't say better than that.

Yeah exactly. Except for the last 20 secs.

It would be like River turning out to be a hoax in the very last episode of Firefly and the Alliance just chasing her because they fancied a sport because they were bored to death.

Or like Galactica's season finale having them discover Earth, whereby they send down their legion of SUPAH SCOUTS to investigate, not to mention having a wisecracking teenager wearing white, with the whimpy son of Kara Thrace and and Lee Adama in the lead.

[matt303]

The last 20 seconds were just what the episode needed to set it going again, without that we'd just have been left on a downer. I think the episodes worked really we'll and as others have said the Rose/Jackie/Micky characters really helped people into who the Doctor is and now it's time for a change and to move on.