Politics Thread!

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Hey guys

Don't forget to work out how sick you're going to be in the next few years so you can save the money you need to pay for it!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... n-sick-pay

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The NHS has deteriorated massively in the past 5 years, thanks to Tory meddling. It's an absolute disgrace!

Who cares if the poor die anyway? It's their own fault - if they were more efficient, they would be able to afford to go private.

Stupid thing is, all A&E are public so even if a Toff is sniggering at home about the suffering of the poor, they still have to attend A&E if they get stabbed in the face by one. Ruining hospitals and A&E is another 'false economy' of the neoliberalists.

I do wonder what vision these neoliberal fucktards have of the future. Something like Mexico perhaps, with legalised Favelas stacked sky high for the decaying poor, whilst the rich are cocooned in gated communities with private security and hospitals.

[zip accident]

I do wonder what vision these neoliberal fucktards have of the future. Something like Mexico perhaps, with legalised Favelas stacked sky high for the decaying poor, whilst the rich are cocooned in gated communities with private security and hospitals.

It is a puzzle, I suppose you have to be very into comparative wealth to think making the poor much poorer while making the rich a little poorer makes the rich relatively more well off. They will be a little less rich than they could have been though, so I still don't really get it.

Another way of looking at it is to say that the rich are basing their view of their own wealth on the poverty of the poor, which means in effect they are defining themselves by the poverty of the poor, which seems even more odd.

[merman]

Hey guys

Don't forget to work out how sick you're going to be in the next few years so you can save the money you need to pay for it!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... n-sick-pay

Funnily enough, I thought that was what people paid National Insurance for...

The Public Accounts Committe concluded that closing Central Middlesex A&E and moving it to Northwick Park has
- not saved money
- not improved services
- contributed to longer delays
- not been cost-effective
- not improved patient outcomes

But they will use the same logic ("consolidating and concentrating services") to justify cutting more A&E units.

[VNVObit]

The NHS has deteriorated massively in the past 5 years, thanks to Tory meddling. It's an absolute disgrace!

Who cares if the poor die anyway? It's their own fault - if they were more efficient, they would be able to afford to go private.

Stupid thing is, all A&E are public so even if a Toff is sniggering at home about the suffering of the poor, they still have to attend A&E if they get stabbed in the face by one. Ruining hospitals and A&E is another 'false economy' of the neoliberalists.

I do wonder what vision these neoliberal fucktards have of the future. Something like Mexico perhaps, with legalised Favelas stacked sky high for the decaying poor, whilst the rich are cocooned in gated communities with private security and hospitals.

A&E is free in the UK but in Ireland the charge is €100 a visit (unless you have a medical card) so there is precedence for charging for A&E for those who can pay (Ireland has a hybrid health system where more and more people have health insurance and it's seen as an essential part of a remuneration package)

Hey guys

Don't forget to work out how sick you're going to be in the next few years so you can save the money you need to pay for it!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... n-sick-pay

For employees that is what NI (national Insurance) is supposed to cover

If you are a contractor you probably already have to do this or a proxy (through self insurance of some description e.g. 3+months salary in arrears)

Suppose if you hypothecate taxes (or privatise them) then introducing more private provision becomes easier

[merman]

Do you remember how Cameron and the Tory press said that Labour would capitulate to the SNP.

What do you call postponing a vote you can't win because your opponents oppose it then?

[pogo]

The change if introduced would make our hunting laws like those in Scotland. So the SNP are not opposing it on principle (otherwise they would look to their own laws first) but “in revenge”.

Nicola Sturgeon has said the SNP will vote against relaxing the foxhunting ban in England and Wales partly because David Cameron has shown so little respect for her party since the election.

What did she expect? The Tories have a majority and don’t have to listen to the SNP or to Labour. It’s not the fault of the system: the SNP would have got far fewer seats in a proportional system (UKIP and the Lib Dems both got far more votes). And she must be used to it in Scotland where the SNP have a majority and can make laws on their own.

So though I oppose any reintroduction of fox hunting I think the SNP’s use of this for political points scoring is petty and immature. They have only brought forward the date when the Tories try to introduce English votes for English laws.

[merman]

The change if introduced would make our hunting laws like those in Scotland. So the SNP are not opposing it on principle (otherwise they would look to their own laws first) but “in revenge”.

Nicola Sturgeon has said the SNP will vote against relaxing the foxhunting ban in England and Wales partly because David Cameron has shown so little respect for her party since the election.

What did she expect? The Tories have a majority and don’t have to listen to the SNP or to Labour. It’s not the fault of the system: the SNP would have got far fewer seats in a proportional system (UKIP and the Lib Dems both got far more votes). And she must be used to it in Scotland where the SNP have a majority and can make laws on their own.

So though I oppose any reintroduction of fox hunting I think the SNP’s use of this for political points scoring is petty and immature. They have only brought forward the date when the Tories try to introduce English votes for English laws.

What's petty and immature is Cameron postponing a thought he would lose.
What's petty is using an amendment rather than an open vote on the whole legislation.

[k345y]

The change if introduced would make our hunting laws like those in Scotland. So the SNP are not opposing it on principle (otherwise they would look to their own laws first) but “in revenge”.

Nicola Sturgeon has said the SNP will vote against relaxing the foxhunting ban in England and Wales partly because David Cameron has shown so little respect for her party since the election.

What did she expect? The Tories have a majority and don’t have to listen to the SNP or to Labour. It’s not the fault of the system: the SNP would have got far fewer seats in a proportional system (UKIP and the Lib Dems both got far more votes). And she must be used to it in Scotland where the SNP have a majority and can make laws on their own.

So though I oppose any reintroduction of fox hunting I think the SNP’s use of this for political points scoring is petty and immature. They have only brought forward the date when the Tories try to introduce English votes for English laws.

Petty and immature.

That's right, it really is petty and immature, unlike the big fair and reasoned grown up politics of Westminster. ORDER, ORDER! Using any lawful means you have to gain your political agenda is the politics of revenge....apparently.
Seriously dude, it's simple tit for tat politics, with a bit of political gain to be had, no more and no less immature than any other area of Westminster politics.


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[pogo]

Tit for tat politics? That implies the Tories have done something wrong: broken some agreement with the SNP. But they haven’t, they never had an agreement with the SNP. Not before the election when the SNP said they would not do deals with the SNP. Not after as the Tories don’t have a majority without theirs or anyone else’s help, and anyway the SNP said they would not do deals with them.

The SNP seem to have a sense of entitlement, thinking because they won in Scotland then the Tories should grant them some of the concessions they hoped to extract from Labour. But it doesn’t work like that. Nor do they particularly have a mandate to get their way at Westminister; at least they have a lot less than the Lib Dems or UKIP who got far more votes, as well as being much more competitive in Tory seats.

And that comes across as immature and petty. It’s immature for another reason. The outcome is likely to be a bringing forward of EVEL, if the SNP cannot stop voting on matters that do not concern Scotland, so a loss rather than a gain for them. They may find six or twelve months from now when they really want to stop some piece of English legislation they can’t, because they wasted their votes on a matter they don’t care about, fox hunting.

[KlaxonCow]

when the SNP said they would not do deals with the SNP.

Well, that's going to be a very difficult election promise for them to keep.


(I know, I know. It was just a typo. But it amused me too much to be able to resist.)

[VNVObit]

when the SNP said they would not do deals with the SNP.

Well, that's going to be a very difficult election promise for them to keep.


(I know, I know. It was just a typo. But it amused me too much to be able to resist.)

Think it's an easy one to keep as the SNP control the SNP there is no need for SNP to compromise with SNP in order to put forward SNP policies and the SNP would never have held the balance of power within an SNP/SNP coalition

[k345y]

Tit for tat politics? That implies the Tories have done something wrong: broken some agreement with the SNP..

There was a cross party agreement and it's the SNP's job as the elected representatives of the peoples of Scotland to do what they can to see that promise through.
The tories have so far failed to come good and that is as good as breaking the agreement, until it's in place, insitu and in law it';s a broken agreement because it will keep being slowly eroded.

[merman]

Freedom of Information the next target for the Cameron Diktat... In the week it revealed British forces (embedded with foreign military) have been involved in military action in Syria.

But wait, didn't our democratically elected officials in Parliament vote to say there would be no British involvement in Syria? Gosh, that would be embarrassing for the regime, wouldn't it?

[k345y]

Freedom of Information the next target for the Cameron Diktat... In the week it revealed British forces (embedded with foreign military) have been involved in military action in Syria.

But wait, didn't our democratically elected officials in Parliament vote to say there would be no British involvement in Syria? Gosh, that would be embarrassing for the regime, wouldn't it?

They really do think people are fucking stupid, don't they. Brit pilots in US jets under US led commands of operation are still Brits.

Imagine you crashed a hire car your employer hired for you into a neighbours garden, destroying the neighbours ornamental wall in the process, but it's okay, it wasn't your fault, you were in a someone else's car under someone else's insurance plan. The fact the share holders voted that you shouldn;t be given the car in the first place is neither here nor there as the board room suits decided they knew best and just clandestinely went ahead anyway.