The Dr Who thread

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:43 pm 0

Dosnt mater.
It isnt sci-fi because its in the future.

Firefly isnt "hard" or "soft" sci-fi, its "light" sci-fi, but that is in no way a critism.

Dr Who on the other hand, is very strongly sci-fi, even when the plots are weak or the science is poor.

Stuart B · Post by **Stuart B** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:22 pm 0

Flabio wrote:Joss Whedon sort of mentions that in one of the commentaries. To the people aboard the Serenity living in that universe it isn't sci-fi, it's just reality. Something a lot of shows set in the future forget.

WASH: How is that even possible? It's like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: You live on a spaceship dear.

Duck Turkin · Post by **Duck Turkin** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:27 pm 0

I am also disappointed by that so called 'cliff-hanger' ending. I honestly thought it would be something worth caring about.

I'm glad Rose is gone, I like the way the Daleks have been 'beefed up' in the new series, and I am a little disappointed with the 'alternate-version' cybermen.

Post by **Snakey** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:45 pm 0

Mayhem wrote:Quick question... given everything with void stuff on it got pulled through, why didn't the Tardis?

Erm... Because the Tardis hasn't been in the void ?

The bit where the Doctor says he thought the Void ship was just a myth, and that it should be impossible, not a big enough clue for you?

Duck Turkin · Post by **Duck Turkin** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:02 pm 0

Snakey wrote:
Mayhem wrote:Quick question... given everything with void stuff on it got pulled through, why didn't the Tardis?
Erm... Because the Tardis hasn't been in the void ?

The bit where the Doctor says he thought the Void ship was just a myth, and that it should be impossible, not a big enough clue for you?

The 'big clue' is that to reach the alternate universe you had to travel through the void (like the 'real life' M-theory on multiple universes). After all, Rose had 'voidstuff' (already forgotten about the blue/red glasses?) even though the only way she went to the other Earth was via the Tardis (until near the end of course). Anyway, a ship bigger on the inside than out must have technology to prevent such mishaps!

As others have wisely said, Dr. Who was never about 'Hard-Sci-Fi'.

anon76235 · Post by **anon76235** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:01 pm 0

the tardis would have shitloads of void stuff wunt it

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:14 pm 0

Actually the hand-wavy sciencey stuff doesn't really bother me. Given that it's science fiction, I don't really expect all the science to be plausible. But they didn't even bother coming up with a bullshit hand-wavy explanation for Pete Tyler's amazing trans-dimensional psychic powers. And it does bother me, that they seem to have decided the audience isn't smart enough to notice things like that.

phattslagg · Post by **phattslagg** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:28 pm 0

Ollie wrote:Actually the hand-wavy sciencey stuff doesn't really bother me. Given that it's science fiction, I don't really expect all the science to be plausible. But they didn't even bother coming up with a bullshit hand-wavy explanation for Pete Tyler's amazing trans-dimensional psychic powers. And it does bother me, that they seem to have decided the audience isn't smart enough to notice things like that.

I put it down to good ol' fashioned Lady Luck.

Now stop getting so worked up about such tiny things

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:45 pm 0

phattslagg wrote:I put it down to good ol' fashioned Lady Luck.

Now stop getting so worked up about such tiny things

Sod off. It's not a tiny thing. The entire ending depended on it. (well apart from the bit with the bint Tate in it, anyway.)

pogo · Post by **pogo** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:50 pm 0

phattslagg wrote:I put it down to good ol' fashioned Lady Luck.

Now stop getting so worked up about such tiny things

Or just a plot device to get the right outcome - happens all the time in films. E.g. in a certain pirate film I saw on Saturday, it was incredibly convinient that

spoiler wrote:Will Turner just happens to get captured by cannibals who think Jack Sparrow is a god. Or that Turner's father is on Jones's ship. etc..

And it took me by suprise - I was expecting her to fall into it. From even before she sacificed herself and reset the lever, as I thought that was she would die saving the earth. But it was far better, and more satisfying, than that, and left open the possibility she could return.

Gorecki · Post by **Gorecki** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:55 pm 0

This thread occasionally really goes to show how little imagination sci-fi geeks really have. Kids up and down the country will be making up there own reasons why such and such did or didn't happen, or they'll just be enjoying themselves too much to actually care.

Sci-fi nerds on the other hand whine and bitch about every tiny thing that they can't make sense of, without ever bothering to excersise their own grey matter and come up with their own explanation. And then they have the temerity to claim that the producers are treating them like idiots for not intellectually holding their hands for the entire show.

Doctor Who is a fourty five minute family tv program, it hasn't got the time to sit around slowly and patiently explaining every last plot and technical detail for a minority audience of anal retentives. It's too busy packing in smack talking robots, alien/human tragic love affairs, heroic last stands and idiots come-good.

You want to know why the Tardis didn't get sucked into the void? Work it out for yourself. How come Pete turned up at the right place at the right time? I don't know, it was probably a million to one shot that might just have worked.

My favourite bit of the last show: The smirk on Mickey's face when Jackie told the Doctor to shut it. Priceless

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Col · Post by **Col** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:00 pm 0

Gorecki wrote:This thread occasionally really goes to show how little imagination sci-fi geeks really have. Kids up and down the country will be making up there own reasons why such and such did or didn't happen, or they'll just be enjoying themselves too much to actually care.

Sci-fi nerds on the other hand whine and bitch about every tiny thing that they can't make sense of, without ever bothering to excersise their own grey matter and come up with their own explanation. And then they have the temerity to claim that the producers are treating them like idiots for not intellectually holding their hands for the entire show.

Doctor Who is a fourty five minute family tv program, it hasn't got the time to sit around slowly and patiently explaining every last plot and technical detail for a minority audience of anal retentives. It's too busy packing in smack talking robots, alien/human tragic love affairs, heroic last stands and idiots come-good.

You want to know why the Tardis didn't get sucked into the void? Work it out for yourself. How come Pete turned up at the right place at the right time? I don't know, it was probably a million to one shot that might just have worked.

My favourite bit of the last show: The smirk on Mickey's face when Jackie told the Doctor to shut it. Priceless .

Top post, i agree entirely.

I also liked Mickey's smirk when Jackie told Pete there'd been no-one else since he died

phattslagg · Post by **phattslagg** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:05 pm 0

Ollie wrote:
phattslagg wrote: Now stop getting so worked up about such tiny things
Sod off. It's not a tiny thing.

Yes it is. I'd wager it's nearly as tiny as your ability to suspend your disbelief

amanset · Post by **amanset** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:16 pm 0

Someone mentioned earlier that the BBC have a contract to use the Daleks for three series. Is this completely set in stone and non-negotiable/extendable?

Personally I am not too bothered with the perceived "over use" of the Daleks. The original series had at least one Dalek story in the first four series. The fifth was Dalekless but there were two Cyberman stories to make up.

Skah T · Post by **Skah T** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:31 pm 0

There was precedent earlier in the show when the crew with the big guns just happened to appear at the right time to save the Doctor's bacon. How did *they* know to appear at just that time? Maybe they had a way to watch the other universe.

Love the episode. Had me in tears by the end. Then they went and ruined it with the bride thing.