Trump

[gumboot]

Why does something called "justice department" settle? Can justice be obtained that way?

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Slightly different time and at that point the money that Trump borrowed and invested into the city was important to NYC.

They gave him some tax break http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/18/nyreg ... state.html

Not for good reasons obviously.

[pogo]

Why does something called "justice department" settle? Can justice be obtained that way?

With an individual you can slap them in jail, which both prevents them reoffending and acts as a strong deterrent. You can’t jail a firm; you can fine it but that just becomes a cost of business, taken out of profits, and quickly forgotten. You could close them down but that’s a bit final, and hurts everyone at the firm no matter their role in things.

So as well as a fine there are often conditions, agreed with the firm, such as they don’t do whatever they were caught doing with checks in place to prevent it. That makes up the settlement. The alternative for the firm might be a court case, a lot of legal expense, a lot of unwanted publicity, and the risk of a much worse outcome.

[Darkflame]

I contend that a firm is made of people, and people can be thrown in jail.
Ultimately someone, or some group, has to be responsible for each decision made.

[pogo]

I contend that a firm is made of people, and people can be thrown in jail.
Ultimately someone, or some group, has to be responsible for each decision made.

I think it’s rare for there to be reason to throw individuals in jail. In cases of corporate manslaughter perhaps. But most “crimes” committed by firms are economic, and the proper punishment is economic, and the firm is the only body able to pay.

There is another reason for penalising the firm. If the fine hits profits then its shareholders who see their shares fall and dividend cut who bear the losses. Which is right as they are ultimately responsible for the selection and supervision of the firm’s management. Shareholders enjoy the profits when a firm does well, they should bear the losses when the firm fucks up.

[gravy]

I contend that a firm is made of people, and people can be thrown in jail.
Ultimately someone, or some group, has to be responsible for each decision made.

Yeah you can. There's a load of both corporate crimes, and crimes within corporations, that individuals can get time for.

Unfortunately most focus on financial impropriety rather than corporate actions against individuals.

[tufty]

But most “crimes” committed by firms are economic, and the proper punishment is economic

So if I hack your bank account and steal all your money, it's only economic, and I shouldn't do jail time. Excellent!

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Browsing alt-right and other nutjob fascist forums for your material again I see.

Being a cunt again I see.

I don't frequent such places.

Here's where I came across that image https://twitter.com/antonnewcombe/statu ... 1360492544

[F-ZeroOne]

A friends raised an interesting concept apparently after talking to people across the pond; the possibility of Obama being selected for the Supreme Court if Clinton wins. Amusing as it would be to watch every single Republican senators head explode, is that actually possible? Are former Presidents allowed to do that?

[funkstar]

I seem to recall this being asked before; the answer is yes, and it has happened (William Howard Taft did SCOTUS after POTUS.)

[merman]

Michael Moore.

Trumpland.

Showing in the UK Saturday

[gravy]

A friends raised an interesting concept apparently after talking to people across the pond; the possibility of Obama being selected for the Supreme Court if Clinton wins. Amusing as it would be to watch every single Republican senators head explode, is that actually possible? Are former Presidents allowed to do that?

He has a law background so it is possible.

For full on griefing though Bill Clinton used to be a lawyer, Hilary could appoint him

[F-ZeroOne]

Okay, thanks for the information. Bit weird that possibility hasn't been mentioned before.

[pogo]

A friends raised an interesting concept apparently after talking to people across the pond; the possibility of Obama being selected for the Supreme Court if Clinton wins. Amusing as it would be to watch every single Republican senators head explode, is that actually possible? Are former Presidents allowed to do that?

Certainly possible: they can nominate pretty much anyone. He would probably make a good justice, but I doubt he would want it; as a former president he has a unique ability to apply himself to whatever area most concerns him, perhaps an area he felt unable to tackle while president. And there is usually no shortage of good candidates to fill a vacancy on the court.

[gumboot]

A friends raised an interesting concept apparently after talking to people across the pond; the possibility of Obama being selected for the Supreme Court if Clinton wins. Amusing as it would be to watch every single Republican senators head explode, is that actually possible? Are former Presidents allowed to do that?

He has a law background so it is possible.

For full on griefing though Bill Clinton used to be a lawyer, Hilary could appoint him

She should appoint herself.