Off the Buggles Album 'The Age of Plastic' IIRCKid Dynamo wrote:bullshit, no one remembers that song.The Frozen One wrote:I remember an old song of that name...
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I'm glad that people are digging these; the videos are awesome, and I love Redpoint's music with the visuals. I'm way too close to mine to hear anything other than the bits I'm still obsessing about, unfortunately!
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[1]I'm glad that people are digging these; the videos are awesome, and I love Redpoint's music with the visuals. I'm way too close to mine to hear anything other than the bits I'm still obsessing about, unfortunately!
[1] University Messenger Service. [2]
[2] I wouldn't actually do that, it'd be really unethical. [2]
[3] Even though most of my use of UMS has been for the university's internal equivalent of eBay.
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Re: Disappointment
Don't take this the wrong way but that's fucking hilariously wrong IMHO.Kid Dynamo wrote: it doesn't include me... it specifically excludes me. Me and alot of other people who really value what llamasoft does...
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How does that work, then? Serious question.Kid Dynamo wrote: it doesn't include me... it specifically excludes me.
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Re: Disappointment
I see .. the dream that for 20 years Llamasoft had finally becomes trueKid Dynamo wrote:gah with the defense... gosh. look, it's fine, seriously, I offer my sincerest congratulations to you and the whole team.
maybe it's not about money, maybe no one else was interested, maybe Gates is really a great fella to play some cribage with... wouldn't change my main point here: I am disappointed.
it doesn't include me... it specifically excludes me. Me and alot of other people who really value what llamasoft does...gilesgoat wrote:the dream of Jeff was to make lightsynth available and enjoyable for
as many people as possible, including you.
and you are disappointed of that and you don't want to get it ...
Very ironic .. a real valuer of Llamasoft work.
Say, you run windows on your PC or exclusively Linux and you wear a
t-shirt saying "M$ suxx0rx" or things like that ?
I bet your house is full of Tux plushies, Linux magazines and books
and you spend part of your time trying to hack servers to prove the
failure of those systems and show the world how rock solid Linux is compared to all that crap
?Oh well, the world is funny because it's full of different things ..
Giles the billy goat
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Microsoft are a current client of mine (not on the game side sadly) and other divisions have been in the past. Yes, there is certainly plenty of room for criticism of some of the company's top-level strategy. Dirty tricks over DOS? There's credibility in those stories. Over aggression in marketplaces? Yes, undoubtedly. But anti-trust and competition laws in both the US and Europe have tempered some of the bad things about the company.
Having got all that out of the way: there are worse behaved companies out there doing genuinely horrible things.
And this is the point of the post: every single MS person I've worked with, at all levels (up to senior UK and US management) have been full of enthusiasm for progression, and excitement at the opportunities to make technology do new things. Very often those new things end up running down blind alleys but thank fuck that there is a company with the resources of MS out there who can afford to pay for failure in the sure knowledge that some of their projects will turn out great.
Microsoft people are mostly (100% in the case of those I've worked with) doing what they do to try to make something cool and good happen. i like that. And, incidentally, few hardware manufacturers would have put a man like J. Allard in charge - that took guts on their part and is a good thing for all of us who like to play videogames.
They, not Sony, not Nintendo, not whom-the-fuckever, have chosen to take the active step of putting Neon into their machine. That's progress, that's doing new stuff, that's pushing technology forward: Microsoft. And Llamasoft would have been daft to have taken some sort of spurious moral high-ground and not talked to MS. I'm impressed by both parties - it's a terrific thing.
Oh and, for what it's worth: Kid Dynamo's initial post was okay - it's just his opinion, however different from mine (or most peoples') it was put in a non-ranty and lucid way. Grown-up chat like that should be a feature of a forum like this one.
I did, however, go to one Microsoft wedding at which the tables had all been given the names of previous MS OS codenames.
Having got all that out of the way: there are worse behaved companies out there doing genuinely horrible things.
And this is the point of the post: every single MS person I've worked with, at all levels (up to senior UK and US management) have been full of enthusiasm for progression, and excitement at the opportunities to make technology do new things. Very often those new things end up running down blind alleys but thank fuck that there is a company with the resources of MS out there who can afford to pay for failure in the sure knowledge that some of their projects will turn out great.
Microsoft people are mostly (100% in the case of those I've worked with) doing what they do to try to make something cool and good happen. i like that. And, incidentally, few hardware manufacturers would have put a man like J. Allard in charge - that took guts on their part and is a good thing for all of us who like to play videogames.
They, not Sony, not Nintendo, not whom-the-fuckever, have chosen to take the active step of putting Neon into their machine. That's progress, that's doing new stuff, that's pushing technology forward: Microsoft. And Llamasoft would have been daft to have taken some sort of spurious moral high-ground and not talked to MS. I'm impressed by both parties - it's a terrific thing.
Oh and, for what it's worth: Kid Dynamo's initial post was okay - it's just his opinion, however different from mine (or most peoples') it was put in a non-ranty and lucid way. Grown-up chat like that should be a feature of a forum like this one.
I did, however, go to one Microsoft wedding at which the tables had all been given the names of previous MS OS codenames.
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Re: Disappointment
err... well, because i ain't going to shell out $300+ and invite MS into my living room just for the lightsynth. You see, my dissapointment is largely fueled by rampant Nintendo fanboyism... i make no attempt to veil this. I loved it when I found out that Minter was alligned with ninty (for unity) so now it kills me that he is alligned with who i feel are the worst of the competition. What it all comes down to is that no matter how much I want the lighsynth, it just doesn't make sense for me to buy an XBOX360, and then also a Ninty Revolution just so I can play games that I will enjoy. I'm not saying anyone else is stupid for doing so, I'm not yelling "sell-out" at the top of my lungs, and I'm not saying that I'm devoid of any hypocracy as the super-clever gilesgoat may point out. I'm saying that llamasoft and ninty made sense to me... I was excited for that... now it just doesn't add up.Rod_S wrote:How does that work, then? Serious question.Kid Dynamo wrote: it doesn't include me... it specifically excludes me.
nice avatar btw.
The Frozen One: you are seriously the only one who has ever known that, or at least brought it up. respek knuckles.
non-ranty and lucid, ya bastids..... yall heard it.
thanks koworld.
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Ah by the use of the $ sign I take it your from the former Colonies?
You see the way you feel about MS over there, is the way we feel about Ninty over here. Until you experiance the horror of Nintendo Europe and the particular way they flushed the Cube down the pan, you won't understand why most people here won't buy a revolution. We brought into the Cube and Unity, we waited for the decent games when they came a long, we got freeloader just to try and get the imports too, but eventually we gave up and got an Xbox.
Mind you a lot of us brought a DS though, so maybe it will change.
Oh and for further information, Neon isn't just for the 360. As Giles pointed out its been brought by MS, but the IP remains in Llamasoft hands for future projects.
You see the way you feel about MS over there, is the way we feel about Ninty over here. Until you experiance the horror of Nintendo Europe and the particular way they flushed the Cube down the pan, you won't understand why most people here won't buy a revolution. We brought into the Cube and Unity, we waited for the decent games when they came a long, we got freeloader just to try and get the imports too, but eventually we gave up and got an Xbox.
Mind you a lot of us brought a DS though, so maybe it will change.
Oh and for further information, Neon isn't just for the 360. As Giles pointed out its been brought by MS, but the IP remains in Llamasoft hands for future projects.
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Indeed: there's a metric fuck-load of Microsoft/Gates scholars here at the university and a large research facility at West Cambridge that does some great blue-skies work too.koworld wrote: They, not Sony, not Nintendo, not whom-the-fuckever, have chosen to take the active step of putting Neon into their machine. That's progress, that's doing new stuff, that's pushing technology forward: Microsoft. And Llamasoft would have been daft to have taken some sort of spurious moral high-ground and not talked to MS. I'm impressed by both parties - it's a terrific thing.
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I'd take issues with some of the internal organisation of the company (but won;t over-elaborate now), but there are many, many worse companies in my field, such as ScanSoft or (the now defunct) L&H who have fairly unpleasant business practices.
Re: Disappointment
Fair enough if you don't want to buy more than one console, I'm trying to cut down myself next-genKid Dynamo wrote:err... well, because i ain't going to shell out $300+ and invite MS into my living room just for the lightsynth. You see, my dissapointment is largely fueled by rampant Nintendo fanboyism... i make no attempt to veil this. I loved it when I found out that Minter was alligned with ninty (for unity) so now it kills me that he is alligned with who i feel are the worst of the competition. What it all comes down to is that no matter how much I want the lighsynth, it just doesn't make sense for me to buy an XBOX360, and then also a Ninty Revolution just so I can play games that I will enjoy. I'm not saying anyone else is stupid for doing so, I'm not yelling "sell-out" at the top of my lungs, and I'm not saying that I'm devoid of any hypocracy as the super-clever gilesgoat may point out. I'm saying that llamasoft and ninty made sense to me... I was excited for that... now it just doesn't add up.Rod_S wrote:How does that work, then? Serious question.Kid Dynamo wrote: it doesn't include me... it specifically excludes me.
nice avatar btw.
The Frozen One: you are seriously the only one who has ever known that, or at least brought it up. respek knuckles.
non-ranty and lucid, ya bastids..... yall heard it.
thanks koworld.
I actually pissed myself at that, at least you're being up front about itmy dissapointment is largely fueled by rampant Nintendo fanboyism
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It's good stuff too.aureole wrote:Acro: don't be down on your work. self-satisfaction in an artist is not necessarily a good thing for creativity, but at some level you have to be able to sit back and actually enjoy what your creating: don't be (so) shy about it - step outside yourself for a bit and like your music, dammit.
You forget how they managed to practice euthanasia on the N64 too...mightyzim wrote:You see the way you feel about MS over there, is the way we feel about Ninty over here. Until you experiance the horror of Nintendo Europe and the particular way they flushed the Cube down the pan, you won't understand why most people here won't buy a revolution.
Sit down you little bastard