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Kemper_Boyd · Post by **Kemper_Boyd** » Mon May 16, 2005 7:41 pm 0

Rod_S wrote:News gets around:

That new movie blows the socks off the first one that was posted up. I've been browsing through their forum the last couple of days. It's weird, at first they seemed like a really nice bunch (I'm sure most of them are), but if someone makes even a slightly derogatory remark about Minter's work, they get fucking jumped on. One poor chap who bemoaned the fact it was a lightsynth and not a game that Minter had been working on said that he'd had PM's threatening to smash his face in. Bizarre.

Just for the record where did you find that Rod?

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Mon May 16, 2005 7:45 pm 0

Just for the record where did you find that Rod?

Yeah, we'll go and kick their heads in!

(Jest, m'dears, jest...)

Kemper_Boyd · Post by **Kemper_Boyd** » Mon May 16, 2005 7:47 pm 0

Bog wrote:
Just for the record where did you find that Rod?
Yeah, we'll go and kick their heads in!

(Jest, m'dears, jest...)

galaxis · Post by **galaxis** » Mon May 16, 2005 7:47 pm 0

gilesgoat wrote:All we wanted is to make Neon and make it as best as possible and available to many people, that was the goal, we never cared "with who".

I'm sorry to say, but you need to acquire a thicker skin, and not care so much about what people are saying. Especially as most of them are not criticizing your work (they can't, really, having not yet seen it in full), but just your choice of business partners.

gilesgoat wrote:We did not piss anyone, we did not step over nobody else toes, we did not steal anything to no one and I don't think really somebody ever dared to think/do anything like that.

I've seen things like that happen over and over again with people who create things. Face it: You are idols, and as such, are idealized by other people. They identify with you, and do actually feel betrayed when you teamed up with the Evil Empire. You stole them their illusions.

But in the end, that's their problem, not yours: You two create things you should really be proud of, you make people happy - you just can't hope to make all the world happy, as everyone has his own agenda, and will chose to judge things differently from you. Ignore the zombies.

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Mon May 16, 2005 7:51 pm 0

galaxis:

I agree with the practical need to get a thicker skin, or at least a blatant disregard for people who can't just say "Nice one dude, glad it worked out for you!" but I still think it's a shame.

Meh. I wish people were different. Nicer. Politer. More generous of spirit.

Or failing that, y'know, that computers were slightly more difficult to use.

Rhythm · Post by **Rhythm** » Mon May 16, 2005 7:56 pm 0

Bog wrote: Or failing that, y'know, that computers were slightly more difficult to use.

Tmuk · Post by **Tmuk** » Mon May 16, 2005 8:19 pm 0

After reading Gile's post, I just want to reiterate how stoked the vast majority of us are about this - I certainly am. I'm sure you've heard it a million times before, but you just can't please all of the people all of the time. Two unhappy people out of 1,724 is pretty good going

Louis G · Post by **Louis G** » Mon May 16, 2005 8:33 pm 0

Jeff,

Seeing as Neon can be used on any system as such, Will there be a version for the PC? i.e embedded in Longhorn for instance.

Louis

nik · Post by **nik** » Mon May 16, 2005 8:37 pm 0

gilesgoat wrote:Now I tell you what guys .. all this MS debate is really sad .. and not nice ..

All we wanted is to make Neon and make it as best as possible and
available to many people, that was the goal, we never cared "with who".

I've been mulling over this for the last few days.

Can anyone think of a small (or even medium sized) company that has competed anywhere in the same space as Microsoft products who haven't either been royally shafted to the point where they've been forced out of business, or ultimately been bought out by MS?

Short term, this is great news for Jeff, Giles, and co. And I hope that in 36 months time it's still been great for them. But go carefully guys.

Mr Meow · Post by **Mr Meow** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:33 pm 0

I hope it make you and giles filthy rich, good luck. I've got me name down for an Xbox 360.
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Meatpuppet · Post by **Meatpuppet** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:43 pm 0

Hoopla!
Well done Jeff & Giles!

And to everyone moaning about Microsoft..

Get a life and get out more.

Jimaroid · Post by **Jimaroid** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:52 pm 0

nik wrote:Can anyone think of a small (or even medium sized) company that has competed anywhere in the same space as Microsoft products who haven't either been royally shafted to the point where they've been forced out of business,

Speaking as someone that used to work for a small independent software house that Microsoft attempted to buy out, that had a good working relationship with Microsoft, that worked for and still works with Microsoft in many ways for many good purposes I can only say: yes.

So, what's your point?

Edit: If you're looking for an unscrupulous company, point your attention at MontaVista who dish out more shit than Microsoft ever has. I'm probably in trouble now.

everklear · Post by **everklear** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:30 pm 0

giles, I hope that my post just before your last one in this thread didn't trigger your response.

To summarize my post: "Hopefully whats-his-name isn't getting threatened. I don't agree with casting Microsoft as the ultimate evil that stalks the earth. I believe all corporations are like this to some degree. Here are a couple ideas how this could be changed."

To emphasize how I feel: I don't even really know you guys and I am thrilled that you've struck this development/distribution deal. It's nice to see two talented and dedicated people having success. I'm looking forward to seeing Neon in action.

Go go team Llamasoft!

PFVA · Post by **PFVA** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:56 pm 0

I have only one small critic:

If it's called Llamasoft shouldn't there be a little llama, or 2, on the logo on the web page in addition to the adorable little sheepies?

Sorry for the interruption on the more serious debate.

Acronym · Post by **Acronym** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:58 pm 0

Kemper_Boyd wrote:
Rod_S wrote:News gets around:

That new movie blows the socks off the first one that was posted up. I've been browsing through their forum the last couple of days. It's weird, at first they seemed like a really nice bunch (I'm sure most of them are), but if someone makes even a slightly derogatory remark about Minter's work, they get fucking jumped on. One poor chap who bemoaned the fact it was a lightsynth and not a game that Minter had been working on said that he'd had PM's threatening to smash his face in. Bizarre.
Just for the record where did you find that Rod?

I'd love to find out too; I want to pop up stalker-style wherever people are talking (in some minor sense, the visuals are the main event

) about me, like some evil version of the Easter Bunny.