Llamasoft - Xbox 360 - Oh yes.

[sirenbrian]

I wonder if Llamasoft gets a mention onscreen in the X360. Will users know who built it, or will they assume Microsoft wrote it themselves?

[teamonkey]

I wonder if Llamasoft gets a mention onscreen in the X360. Will users know who built it, or will they assume Microsoft wrote it themselves?

It's licenced, so it should be mentioned in the manual at least. I wouldn't think Microsoft would want any 3rd party logos in their firmware though.

[Rod_S]

I wonder if Llamasoft gets a mention onscreen in the X360. Will users know who built it, or will they assume Microsoft wrote it themselves?

It's licenced, so it should be mentioned in the manual at least. I wouldn't think Microsoft would want any 3rd party logos in their firmware though.

A big LLAMASOFT and a rendered camel are in Neon itself

[JJNova]

Now we see why Unity was truly Canceled.....

[PVB]

Now we see why Unity was truly Canceled.....

Not true; Neon came after Yak decided he couldn't do Unity justice in the timeframe available.

Anyway....

Welcome JJNova, to the fluffiest forums on the net!

[JJNova]

Now we see why Unity was truly Canceled.....

Not true; Neon came after Yak decided he couldn't do Unity justice in the timeframe available.

Anyway....

Welcome JJNova, to the fluffiest forums on the net!

Thanks. I have been a reader for a long time. Just, got really pissed off when reading this announcement on Slashdot. I was living in a fantasy world where Unity was the secret project, considering backwards compatability with the N5. So really, the time frame has been expanded by another 4 - 5 years. I don't argue that it's not great for the team. Congratulations. Microsoft is an awesome company to strike a licensing deal with. s mentioned before, hopefully this will help fund larger projects, or provide a well earned moment of comfort. I know this is the upcoming E3 week, and I do hope to be impressed by what each of the big three have to offer (Nefver thought we would see Three contenders last like this), and my opinions ar pre-mature, I don't see the 360 providing anything to cater to (hardcore? Dedicated? Long term?) gamers.

I hate the term Hardcore and Casual gamer, because regardless, a sale is a sale. Maybe I'm just negative, but my sneaking suspicion is that a full title is in development for the same Console, that will resemble the afforementioned title, when it would be more at home on another companies baby.

If I've confused anyone, don't feel alone, I forgot where I was going with this. Something about the comparison between MS customer base and Nintendo customer base.

[Jamesac]

I got to open at work today, 8:30AM and the doors don't open until 9:30, and what do I see on the printout for the day but we have the ability to reserve Xbox 360 starting... immediately.

Care to guess who reserved the first X'360 (good abbreviation, by the way) in the entire company at 8:40AM? Yak & Giles, it's all your fault.

James

[matt]

I just love the 'dtj love's Yaks work but hates Microsoft' ironey, must be a real mind fuck!

Dangerous that. You could herd a whole busload of people who love Linux zealously, but love Llamasoft as well into the White House, then show them the XBox360 press release and then dive for cover as they explode..

Danergous only in that it's spot on. dtj's poor head is ready to explode., and not because of VLM effects but because of the paradox of M$/Yak. My thoughts are with him at this difficult time.

matt

[gilesgoat]

Now we see why Unity was truly Canceled.....

Nope, not at all, the reasons are exactly those stated in the press release and such.

When Unity was cancelled and such we were totally "with no work and no project ahead" ..
so no plans at all .. and we were not happy .. there was
not even a "maybe" that time ...

[Jedburgh]

<knackered late night post that's hopefully going somewhere>

I've been fortunate enough to have been involved in this from day one. Or rather night one, when Jeff had a slit-scan generator, some floating artefacts and a camera that didn't crash the system as long as you didn't take it too far along one particular parameter path.

He showed it to RiK and I around midnight in typical, hope-you-don't-think-it's-too-awful fashion. I asked for a go. We finished flying around 8.30 the next morning. A lot of you already know the story. It was one of those defining moments; discovering that a multiplayer light synth was not only a distinct possibility, but that it was also one fuck of a lot of fun to fly.

Time passed. Stuff happened. Some great. Some shit. So it goes.

So it's December last year, we're in Seattle and we're sinking a large amount of beer to crash us into local time (and to calm Jeff down a bit on the eve of the biggest fucking meeting of his life), chatting to Peadar (our man at MS and the best evangelist Neon could hope for) and the subject turns to something like, what is it about this thing?

Well. It's creative. It's collaborative. It's non-competitive. It looks absolutely lovely. All of that. And then it occurs to me that this is an idea whose time has come.

Like, say, the iPod. Who the hell thought, a few years ago, that they'd want a hard disk in their pocket that held most of their music? Sheer madness.

I've explained Neon to a fair few people of late, and I've been met with a lot of blank looks. Unless you're a geek with a predisposition towards cool visuals, it's a difficult idea to 'get'. But I've also been in a fair few situations where we've been able to hand controllers over to people who like what they're seeing on the screen but have never before considered the possibility of controlling such a thing. And they've been hooked. Even the ones who've never really held a joypad before. It's quite startling, and equally rewarding.

We couldn't have done this until very recently. The technology wasn't up to it, wasn't able to create something as drop-dead gorgeous as this, that can transfix so many people and make them want to control it.

Neon can do that. And we don't have to worry about getting people to want it, because they're going to be getting it anyway, and sooner or later they'll discover the really fucking cool thing they can do when they put music on their Xbox 360. And they'll get their friends to join in. Who'll tell their friends. And so on...

I like to think so, anyway. I've seen a lot of evidence for it. We'll see.

Like the hard disk full of tunes, it's an idea whose time has come. I'm proud to be a part of it.

Proper job. Onwards.

[Yak]

What an excellent post Jim... I've been trying to explain it to my mum, who still can't grasp it yet and doesn't really get the *scale* of what has happened. And I was thinking along the lines of trying to explain "remember that thing I made 20 years ago that we always used to do at shows.. well... its time has come" .

I think I'll probably just end up copying and pasting and letting you do that for me .

And if that doesn't work, then I'll just have to get her up here, sit her down in front of the plasma, and give an explanation at 60 frames a second, I suppose .

What a day... once again I can only reiterate my thanks to everyone involved... especially the website boys who must have been rather surprised to wake up this morning and find our collective pants round our ankles, and who acted quickly enough to have everything in place by the time I awakened to my hangover .

Fucking top job everyone. And I feel massively privileged to have been a part of it all, and for those of us who go way back with it, right back to that first demo with only one effect... it's so deep and so moving. So many times today I have almost been in tears...

It's wonderful . And *we* did that .

[Beer Monkey]

Yak, your post makes me so happy.

Look, everyone, Neon didn't kill Unity. Accept that.

And those who have some kind of 'ethical' problem with the big, bad Microsoft corporation, think about this.

Ninendo once dominated the console industry like Microsoft dominates the PC industry.

Sony has been dominating the console industry in a similar fashion.

All of these console companies want the same thing. Market domination. There is little, if any, difference between MS and Ninty and Sony.

Yak's work is commercial art. It deserves an audience. This is a good way to get it, and the hard drive and music interface makes this a perfectly suitable platform.

Be glad. And if you really care about Jeff's art, support it. Experience it. Let it change you.

On any platform.

Kudos to Jeff (and Giles, and Llamasoft, and all involved).

[Sir_LANs-a-lot]

Yak, your post makes me so happy.

Look, everyone, Neon didn't kill Unity. Accept that.

And those who have some kind of 'ethical' problem with the big, bad Microsoft corporation, think about this.

Ninendo once dominated the console industry like Microsoft dominates the PC industry.

Sony has been dominating the console industry in a similar fashion.

All of these console companies want the same thing. Market domination. There is little, if any, difference between MS and Ninty and Sony.

Yak's work is commercial art. It deserves an audience. This is a good way to get it, and the hard drive and music interface makes this a perfectly suitable platforum.

Be glad. And if you really care about Jeff's art, support it. Experience it. Let it change you.

On any platform.

Kudos to Jeff (and Giles, and Llamasoft, and all involved).

[Bog]

I'm just glad that the bloke who let me know it was OK to want to excel at something odd has got paid.

Really, that's all.

It's like James Spader said in "Stargate"... "I'm never gonna get paid.....



.....*fip* can I have this?"

And he got paid.

That's all. Someone I call friend worked long, long, long and hard. About 1.8 times as long as I've strived, frankly.

And he did it. He won.

Big.

So, my wacom stylus sits light on my back tonight.

My mate made it.

So will I.

*hugs anyone nearby*

[~D4T45H4T~]

To us all (an example)