When are 'proper' Game Shops going to learn......

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Dio wrote:The Wal-mart model (which both Asda and Tesco largely run to here) is wafer-thin margins with huge turnover - you can easily see this from their profit figures. For 'non-core' business they are quite happy to sell at low single digits over cost price. VAT amplifies this effect by nearly 20% as well. Frankly, they're happy just to get customers through the door and buying their groceries where they can make a bit more money because they've squeezed the suppliers.

Only the biggest high street stores can approach the volume discounts they get, and none of them can touch the cost base the supermarkets operate on - they absolutely need their 15-20% margin per item to cover much higher fixed costs and a larger variety of stock.
Absolutely the same story in my line of business, bookselling. Books, like games, are 'non-core' business through and through to supermarkets. A bookshop, by definition, has to carry a large stock of titles that sell relatively rarely but one would nonetheless expect to see on the shelves. Supermarkets don't have that headache. We do, at least, make a decent margin on these books, although the infrequency of those sales means it cannot alone sustain a business. A big seller is the kind of thing that supermarkets will bother to stock. To compete with them we have cut our prices to the point where profits are negligible even if we sell hundreds of the thing.

For example, the latest Harry Potter paperback was priced so aggresively by Tesco that if they were on the same terms and margins as us they would actually make a loss on every book sold. As Dio says, it's all about getting punters through the door and buying their fruit and veg there.

The end result is that we don't sell anything like as many units as we'd like and what books we do sell, of the big titles, we don't make much on at all. Something like three quarters of our profit comes from backlist titles. All those 3 for 2 offers are to get folks in the door, not much else.

Games retail doesn't really have the same notion of backlist sales. Games come and go so quickly - a month after Otogi came out I couldn't find it on the shelves anywhere. Second hand sales is the only equivalent they have. It wouldn't surprise me if that's the only thing that keeps most games retailers in business. I don't think the margins on new games are good enough on their own.
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I've come to absolutely hate buying new titles at any of the boutique stores. I fucking reserved Dead Rising, and I still got a copy that had been taken out of the shrinkwrap and opened so they could put the case on the shelf. With a sticker on the front. Wal-Mart, as much as I hate the bastards, sells their games with intact packaging.
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punkrulesok wrote:speaking of games shops, is the other guy from rodent still opening his shop? sounds like he had a good biz plan and decent attitude
Don't think so, the last announcement I can remember was for a launch late last year. It's been completely quiet since then.
shame really - I liked his idea of making the store a destination where you could go and wallow in your geekdom as opposed to merely being a shop to buy stuff and leave. I'd still really like to see that done to be honest.

Imagine going to a gamestore, talking tips and preferences with knowledgable staff staff and a few customers who have been instore for a while because they like being there, the odd games night with folks turning up to play and competitions. Sort of the 80s 'kids around a display machine swopping ideas who went on to make something' story someone aged 25 reads about in the history of UK games and regardless of if it is pure truth or romantic nostalgia would really like to see for themself.

that'd be awesome if it existed.
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Indeed. If I ever become extraordinarily wealthy, I'd like to open up a games shop. Someplace with a very laid-back atmosphere. Bit of a lounge atmosphere. A place for geeks to hang out, play games, watch Adult Swim. Couple big-ass projectors in the back, maybe a small LAN setup for regular tournaments.
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sack : What you've just described reminds me of the Games Workshop store I used to hang around when I was younger.
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Games Workshop have one massive advantage that lets them run their shops like that though. They make the things they sell in their shops, and (almost) noone else sells their products.

I'd love to patronise a video games shop that works that way. There used to be a place called Microbyte in Nottingham that felt a lot like that. Closed down many moons ago though.
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ThetaReactor wrote:Indeed. If I ever become extraordinarily wealthy, I'd like to open up a games shop. Someplace with a very laid-back atmosphere. Bit of a lounge atmosphere. A place for geeks to hang out, play games, watch Adult Swim. Couple big-ass projectors in the back, maybe a small LAN setup for regular tournaments.
Damn right. I'm still consistently disappointed by how lifeless and uninspired games retail is. Where I live we have a Game which is bland and corporate, Gamestation which is a messy cavern, and ePlay where the staff barely know what a gamepad is. Not one of them has the motivation to write reviews or recommendations, let alone create any kind of gaming events. All the staff claim to be gamers but none of that passion comes across in the shop.

At the very least I was hoping to see some of that enthusiasm find an outlet in Rich's 'Control' project. I long to walk into a games shop that feels like a great record shop, if that makes sense.
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We have a shop in Nottingham called Playtime, which is either an indie shop or a very small chain of shops, but they always seem to have a decent range (of all formats) and an extensive range of 'retro' games.

Plus, they quite often have import DS games in. But then I use ebay for my foreign DS needs 8)
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Why it wouldn't work: Geeks would hang out in your store all day, then go home and buy everything they want off play.com for less. :wink:
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Rib wrote:Why it wouldn't work: Geeks would hang out in your store all day, then go home and buy everything they want off play.com for less. :wink:
When I was in retail, you could set your watch by the crowd of kids whose bus got in from school at 4pm. They did liven up the end of the day a bit but it was a bugger if the phones were busy too.

One of the lads' dads ran a Chinese. We were driving past one night on the way to the cinema and thought of popping in and saying "Can I try the Egg Foo Yung please? I'll be buying it on Saturday."
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SadisticToaster wrote:sack : What you've just described reminds me of the Games Workshop store I used to hang around when I was younger.
Games workshop really do have a handle on that and it always makes me smile.

Until a month ago I used to work next door to their head office and during the summer its quite common to see groups of foreign tourists making a pilgrimage to the place and asking for directions.

I vaguely remember microbyte - was in one of the shopping centres wasn't it? If its the one I have in mind you couldn't buy anything because the staff were always too busy playing to serve. Used to get my stuff from Intoto (i think it was called) because my dads mate ran the place...
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sack wrote:I vaguely remember microbyte - was in one of the shopping centres wasn't it?
Upstairs in the Broadmarsh.
sack wrote:Used to get my stuff from Intoto (i think it was called) because my dads mate ran the place...
Now there's a blast from the past. Got all my VIC-20 and +4 games from there...

Where else was there in Nottingham? There was Software Plus down that little alley next to the Bell Inn off the Market Square. And I remember there being some import place just a little ways up Mansfield Road. First place I saw a Megadrive that was.
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I'm sure there used to be a shop in the Broadmarsh where Half Price Jewellers is at the moment. I seem to remember playing Super Mario: The Lost Levels on the SNES in there :D
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Well, there used to be a GW in Broadmarsh.

Computer2000 is still on Parliament St, opposite where the big Co-op used to be and back in the day there was a fantastic store that stocked loads of Amiga kit up at the top of Mansfield Rd where The Forest starts, now a 780s fancy dress store. Then there was the Mecca of Amiga Lovers, Gordon Harwood's, up on Langley Mill. Ah...happy days...

Those where all places I got to know when I was a student in Nottingham but my humble gaming beginnings were in Tomorrow's World in Hull, fantastic place underneath the City Hall, I think it's still there but all they sell now are TVs and washing machines.
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The Wal-mart model (which both Asda and Tesco largely run to here) is wafer-thin margins with huge turnover - you can easily see this from their profit figures. For 'non-core' business they are quite happy to sell at low single digits over cost price. VAT amplifies this effect by nearly 20% as well.

But VAT is a tax..... that gets paid to HM Government... they don't keep it as profit!

Or did you mean something else? (Because I'm totally knackered and in grave danger of talking rubbish!)
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