<RANT> DAMN you IT Job industry....

[hyphz]

Obviously what we need to do is to go get those sadistic Customs officers who put 120 quid on Yak's Qubie and get them to start charging duty on imported labour

[noodles]

Sooner or later the firms will realise that their own home markets can't afford to buy their products (because without jobs they don't have the money to pay)

Everyone in the UK will be either independently wealthy (and therefore likely a shareholder causing all this to happen), or in the services business (i.e. waiters, cleaners, etc).

Of course this is a very extreme and bleak view

Been thinking about this too and I don't how this can be resolved peacefully without some serious protectionism, which is
admitting defeat in a certain way.

If the only people left who can afford to buy the outsourced products
are the managers and shareholders, sales will crash and so will the
companies who pushed this in the first place to its conclusion.

How it crashes and who gets burnt the most, I'm curious to see.

Companies like Danone in France were firing people last year even
tough they were making billions in profit.
Some people started a boycott of their products but it was hard to follow
of course since they are so big and are present everywhere.
And Danone were quick to sue the guy who started the whole
campaign with his website.
It really is a war of the rich against the poor.
And the sad thing is that the rich obviously have no interest to
change the situation as it profits them quite well as it is.

"Hey, we know our salaries are crap, but, hey, people take them!"

Right, enough bitter ranting here, but you get the idea.

Meanwhile you've kickstarted a whole software development industry in India, so expect to see some innovative new products and companies in a bout a year....

I have yet to see a complete game come out of India...

[ekendrick]

I have been looking since Feb and found nothing exciting to move to, but then again not being looking to hard, waiting for the pay off...

I just Hope I can find something come November...

I've seen this before in my previous company. What people did was become consultants - make your current manager know your becoming a consultant and give them your contact details - basically when it all goes to pot they hastily get on the phone, call you back in to do the job you were doing before but now at consultant rates. In the past this meant a 3 year contract stint - in todays climate that probably is now 6 months on 3 months off, but you're at least in control.

You just need to get a good enough pay off to cover you for the first 6 months before they start realising things are going wrong.

[Fuzzle]

Fortunately, it does have an inbuilt throttle. Sooner or later the firms will realise that their own home markets can't afford to buy their products (because without jobs they don't have the money to pay), and if they plan to resell in the places where they're importing labour from, they'll have to sell at an appropriate price for that region, cancelling out the benefit of importing the labour in the first place.

Though if it's like any other of the economists' throttles, we'll badly overshoot and be in the duldrums for quite some time. Though maybe it's that manager fad thing someone mentioned. But the Chinese sure latched on to manufacturing... lots of decent, super-low-price items.

Really it's all just hand waving. You can get hired in a depression, and you can get laid off in a super-hot economy. Might as well just focus on your own particulars.

[randomdude]

How does the industry (sonce at least some of the softies out there are *in* it ) feel about qualifications for a job?

Im a college dropout, I have 2 years real world exp, CCNA and RHCE. still cant find a job. Toying with the idea of going for CCNP but not sure its worth it... MCSE seems pretty devalued at the mo too.

Any hints/ideas/whatever?