Trump

[KlaxonCow]

Does it cover Saudi Arabia?

Of course not.

Indeed, it still doesn't cover any country that has actually committed a terrorist attack in the US at any point. That bit ain't any different.


It's not substantially different to how it was before. He's taken Iraq off the list. He's put in an exemption for green card holders. He's removed the bit about giving priority to religious minorities - in other words, Christians. The blanket ban on Syrian refugees has been diluted.

Basically, he's smoothing off the horribly illegal and unconstitutional bits, then trying again.

In spirit, it's the same Muslim ban as before. Just with legal tweaks to avoid it being struck down by the courts again.

[merman]

As Jon Favreau said on Twitter, Trump defended the original ban's swift introduction by saying "if they had a week's notice, they would get in quick".

Of course we had a week's notice of Unconstitutional Travel Ban 2.0...

[gumboot]

He's just doing it because it's a campaign promise. Its effects are just as irrelevant as they were in the first place.

He says so much mad shit, I wonder if he can remember it all, or if it's possible to get him to double down on anything even if he never said it in the first place.

[F-ZeroOne]

Ben Carson, Trumps Secretary of Housing and Urban Development and (lest we forget) former potential Presidential candidate, puts his foot in it quite spectacularly:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39188162

[Darkflame]

So the GOPs new healthcare plan is literally called
"World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017"

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... /1275/text

They arnt even trying to hide the fact they are basically have the mental age of 6 are they?

[gumboot]

They arnt even trying to hide the fact they are basically have the mental age of 6 are they?

Does any six-year-old ever do that?

[PFVA]

I'll never understand why the Americans have chosen to have such a complicate system of health care before Obama, during Obama, and after Obama. Comparing with the simplicity of a National Health System even with all its cuts their system looks absolutely nuts. When i lived there my work involved the Medic-aid system that covers some of those who are disabled, elderly, or children under 21 whose families have very low or 0 income, and almost no property. Just the Admnistrative costs of that system would cover most of a NHS system for everybody.

[skab]

Follow the money. The pharmaceutic industry did always the best lobbying of them all. Ok, in the US maybe the oil guys might be in the same ballpark, but anyway...

[Dio]

The ingrained hostility to large government and doing anything in government that could be done privately is an important factor.

There are some reasons it would be a challenge. Our NHS is already one of the largest organisations in the world - imagine how enormous a US federal health service would be, it might have 20 million employees and a bigger budget than any US state. It would be the largest governmental organisation ever in a democratic state (excepting the US military in WW2, I guess). Even the most committed socialist would raise an eyebrow at the sheer scale of the thing.

[merman]

Calculations are showing 50+ year olds face an increase of $8000 a year in healthcare costs, a 64-year old up to $15,000.

How can they afford it?

[F-ZeroOne]

Just to be clear, the "Worlds Greatest Healthcare" bill is not the official "DEATH TO OBAMACARE!" policy, its a separate bill introduced by a Repubilican representative from - where else? - Texas. The official "OBAMACARE SUX HAHA!" bill is the "American Health Care Act":

https://housegop.leadpages.co/healthcare/

[F-ZeroOne]

Calculations are showing 50+ year olds face an increase of $8000 a year in healthcare costs, a 64-year old up to $15,000.

How can they afford it?

Well, luckily its not like anyone is planning on either deporting or banning significant numbers of people who make a large contribution to the economy...

...oh, wait.

[F-ZeroOne]

Meanwhile, over to the new head of the - and I feel the need to stress this next part - Environmental Protection Agency:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sco ... q3y2qvkj4i

[Darkflame]

The ingrained hostility to large government and doing anything in government that could be done privately is an important factor.

There are some reasons it would be a challenge. Our NHS is already one of the largest organisations in the world - imagine how enormous a US federal health service would be, it might have 20 million employees and a bigger budget than any US state. It would be the largest governmental organisation ever in a democratic state (excepting the US military in WW2, I guess). Even the most committed socialist would raise an eyebrow at the sheer scale of the thing.

Could be mitigated if states run each separately, merely by similiar rules.

[PFVA]

There are some reasons it would be a challenge. Our NHS is already one of the largest organisations in the world - imagine how enormous a US federal health service would be, it might have 20 million employees and a bigger budget than any US state. It would be the largest governmental organisation ever in a democratic state (excepting the US military in WW2, I guess). Even the most committed socialist would raise an eyebrow at the sheer scale of the thing.

The number of people employed in admnistrative tasks would be much smaller under a NHS than they were at the system they had at least on the pre-Obama period. The number of medical related staff would be higher if they had everything done with public hospitals. I doubt if the costs would be that much higher. I actually never saw a real comparative study done on that. Just medic-aid by itself if you count the number of federal, state, and local governments involved its enormous. When you include medicare, county general hospitals and all the other fragmented stuff it becomes really large. The only significant difference is that under a central NHS everybody would be a federal employee and specially the States and Local governments would be the first to strongly lobbying against.

In anyway Canada has National Health and it's not exactly a small country.