The Dr Who thread

Purple Grapefruit · Post by **Purple Grapefruit** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:15 pm 0

[Feeblez] wrote:
Jonesey wrote:
Why?
Oh I dunno - for me he just doesn't have the same kind of on-screen presence as Hartnell, Pertwee and (Tom) Baker. They need to get an old boy actor in there, remove any ideas about fucking romance, get some meaty story lines going on alien planets, cut out the OTT incidental music, maybe get a couple of assistants in there - y'know - get something a bit moodier going on.
He's not wrong. And it would be nice if any future Ass-istants were orphans .

Eh?
Arguably the Doctor's (Hartnell) first assistant
was his own granddaughter and from what
i remember there was a bit of an ongoing domestic
between them as well.

Edit*@Feeblez, sorry if i misunderstood your point there.I have
made some assumptions as to what you were inferring.*

Gorecki · Post by **Gorecki** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:17 pm 0

Jonesey wrote:
Why?
Oh I dunno - for me he just doesn't have the same kind of on-screen presence as Hartnell, Pertwee and (Tom) Baker. They need to get an old boy actor in there, remove any ideas about fucking romance, get some meaty story lines going on alien planets, cut out the OTT incidental music, maybe get a couple of assistants in there - y'know - get something a bit moodier going on.

So, basically make it just like it was when it was shit.

for me he just doesn't have the same kind of on-screen presence as Hartnell, Pertwee and (Tom) Baker.

For those of us without rose-tinted spectacles, he does. Go see everything else he's acted in if you don't believe me. In particular see Casanova where he holds his own against a positively on fire Peter O'Toole.

remove any ideas about fucking romance

'Cause heaven forfend that we have science-fiction with some romance in it. Most sci-fi is aimed at teenage boys who's only concept of romance begins and ends with big-titted women in tight uniforms (hello Star Trek). New Who stands out because it's managed to get past this particular juvenile fantasy, not despite of it.

get some meaty story lines going on alien planets

Partially agreed, couldn't give a monkeys where the story is set as long as it's good. Having said that, it's not as if we haven't had some stories with real weight to them (ie the Steven Moffat episodes) and they do need to be balanced with light hearted fluff.

cut out the OTT incidental music

There isn't any OTT incidental music in Doctor Who. Where on earth this idea that the music in Doctor Who is too loud comes from I don't know. It just isn't.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:25 pm 0

* Hands Gorecki one of those 'winnar' images *

Acronym · Post by **Acronym** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:30 pm 0

Gorecki wrote: So, basically make it just like it was when it was shit.

Amen. The best eps of the revival have been the ones which haven't been trying to be trad Doctor Who, as far as I can tell: last weekend's one was shit precisely because it was tedious base-under-siege scifi bollocks. Gimme emotion.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:37 pm 0

Cause heaven forfend that we have science-fiction with some romance in it. Most sci-fi is aimed at teenage boys who's only concept of romance begins and ends with big-titted women in tight uniforms (hello Star Trek). New Who stands out because it's managed to get past this particular juvenile fantasy, not despite of it.

Really?
Because the romance in DrWho has been as crude as a typical star trek next gen romance, just slower paced, imho.

Not that any other Sci-fi is much better mind you.
Farscape did it quite well, but cant remember any other sci-fi's with good romantic storys. Generally it all seems too forced. And the new doctor who is no exception. Hopefully they wont go so far as too have the next companion also automatically fall in love with him.
That will be going too far. (and no, making the next one male and gay will not give an exception too this)

Gorecki · Post by **Gorecki** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:51 pm 0

Darkflame wrote:
Cause heaven forfend that we have science-fiction with some romance in it. Most sci-fi is aimed at teenage boys who's only concept of romance begins and ends with big-titted women in tight uniforms (hello Star Trek). New Who stands out because it's managed to get past this particular juvenile fantasy, not despite of it.
Really?
Because the romance in DrWho has been as crude as a typical star trek next gen romance, just slower paced, imho.

Yes, really. New Doctor Who is almost Anais Nin compared to Star Trek's Tom Clancy. If you want proof, watch The Girl In The Fireplace and look at the espression on Rose's face just after the jumping-through-the-mirror bit. Then compare that to the fact the Star Trek was clearly too scared to even admit that sex even existed, let alone mattered.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:55 pm 0

Acronym wrote:
Gorecki wrote: So, basically make it just like it was when it was shit.
Amen. The best eps of the revival have been the ones which haven't been trying to be trad Doctor Who, as far as I can tell: last weekend's one was shit precisely because it was tedious base-under-siege scifi bollocks. Gimme emotion.

It'll be interesting to see the reaction to the next two episodes. If they're even a smidgen close to the book they're based on it should be very interesting indeed. Especially since the majority of that range of books are as far from trad Who as it's possible to get

Here's some details on the book it's based on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Natu ... Who_novel)

(Edit) You'll have to cut and paste that link for some reason.

Jonesey · Post by **Jonesey** » Sat May 26, 2007 6:07 pm 0

watch The Girl In The Fireplace

Actually I did like that episode...except for the scenes with Rose and Mickey in...

Sir_LANs-a-lot · Post by **Sir_LANs-a-lot** » Sat May 26, 2007 7:56 pm 0

Gah!

Bloody two-parters!

Quite looking forward to next weeks ep. now!

Gorecki · Post by **Gorecki** » Sat May 26, 2007 8:00 pm 0

Somebody give the casting director a raise. The blonde kid with the black eyes was plain creepy and the 'family' were creepily creepy. Can't wait for next week now.

pogo · Post by **pogo** » Sat May 26, 2007 8:03 pm 0

That was fucking excellent. Got the impression they've been coasting a bit this season, with a series of good but not great stories. They've far exceeded my high expectations with this one, and probably raised the bar overall. Will wait for next week to say for sure, but possibly the best episode so far of the re-imagined series.

Roll on next week.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Sat May 26, 2007 8:14 pm 0

Very good epp.
Purhapes a little slow, but It was good because I geniunely couldnt see what was coming next.
I second Gorecki's remarks, some of the casting was very good.

My only fear is they have written themselfs into a tricky spot regarding the aliens. The doctor went into hidding which infers he didnt have a way to defeat them. So hows it going to be resolved with his memory back is tricky.

Gorecki wrote:
Darkflame wrote:
Cause heaven forfend that we have science-fiction with some romance in it. Most sci-fi is aimed at teenage boys who's only concept of romance begins and ends with big-titted women in tight uniforms (hello Star Trek). New Who stands out because it's managed to get past this particular juvenile fantasy, not despite of it.
Really?
Because the romance in DrWho has been as crude as a typical star trek next gen romance, just slower paced, imho.
Yes, really. New Doctor Who is almost Anais Nin compared to Star Trek's Tom Clancy. If you want proof, watch The Girl In The Fireplace and look at the espression on Rose's face just after the jumping-through-the-mirror bit. Then compare that to the fact the Star Trek was clearly too scared to even admit that sex even existed, let alone mattered.

no, just means they handeled it crudely in different ways

StarTrek dosnt have sex (and gay's have apperently died out), but it does often have a new person falling in love with the captain each week

This last eppisode...which I liked overall...reinforced the "every girl automaticaly loves the doctor" type thinking.

Just as bad really, as far as romance goes.

BlackJedi · Post by **BlackJedi** » Sat May 26, 2007 8:16 pm 0

That was, quite simply, one of the best episodes of new Who I've seen for a long time - possibly since The Girl in the Fireplace. I've been a bit disappointed in the past few episodes after quite a strong start to 2007, but this was utterly fantastic.

Col · Post by **Col** » Sat May 26, 2007 8:23 pm 0

That was brilliant! Loved the drawings in the Doctor's book

piku · Post by **piku** » Sat May 26, 2007 8:26 pm 0

Darkflame wrote:Very good epp.
Purhapes a little slow, but It was good because I geniunely couldnt see what was coming next.

The two are related you know

Stories don't have to race along at "OMG I have two hours worth of ideas to force into 55 minutes, quick make them run and shout more and do it faster!". You can actually take a few minutes to build up the scenes, it's allowed.

And of course we all like the "hero who's had his super powers removed and doesn't know he has them" stories since we're really just waiting for them to come back and the arse-kicking to begin.