The Dr Who thread

DutchLlama · Post by **DutchLlama** » Sun May 27, 2007 7:24 pm 0

Maybe I'm thick, but I don't get it, what did the captain do wrong in 42? Why did Martha tell her "you did enough damage".

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sun May 27, 2007 7:36 pm 0

She scooped material from the sun for fuel. The sun was alive.

It's like me slicing off parts of you for my lunch.

DutchLlama · Post by **DutchLlama** » Sun May 27, 2007 8:49 pm 0

HGFB wrote:She scooped material from the sun for fuel. The sun was alive.

It's like me slicing off parts of you for my lunch.

Well it would be more like you slicing parts off me when you thought I was dead.

PVB · Post by **PVB** » Sun May 27, 2007 8:51 pm 0

DutchLlama wrote:
HGFB wrote:She scooped material from the sun for fuel. The sun was alive.

It's like me slicing off parts of you for my lunch.
Well it would be more like you slicing parts off me when you thought I was dead.

Nah, more like him slicing bits off you when he thought you were just a tree.

Post by **Jedburgh** » Sun May 27, 2007 8:53 pm 0

Probably more akin to nabbing a couple of skin cells, but let's not split hairs.

phattslagg · Post by **phattslagg** » Sun May 27, 2007 9:25 pm 0

BlackJedi wrote:That was, quite simply, one of the best episodes of new Who I've seen for a long time - possibly since The Girl in the Fireplace. I've been a bit disappointed in the past few episodes after quite a strong start to 2007, but this was utterly fantastic.

Agreed. Proper Dr. Who, that

I'm in agreement with the music haters though - it's probably not too loud, but it certainly is too shit. If it wasn't shit, no-one would complain about the volume.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Sun May 27, 2007 9:26 pm 0

More like slicing bits of a rock.

Even a tree we could comprehend has being alive in some form.
But no one on that ship could be expected to remotely comprehend the possibility of a sun being alive.
Again, makes me wonder how these life-detectors in all sci-fis actualy work.

IronGiant · Post by **IronGiant** » Sun May 27, 2007 10:41 pm 0

Only just got around to watching it and loved it - quite possibly the best episode of series 3. Great pacing, casting, atmosphere and the like.

And special kudos to the director, Charles Palmer, who really is doing a superb job with the episodes he has directed this series.

Let's hope the second part keeps up the high quality.

My only negative vibes were with the music - not only was it fairly mediocre and too loud, but it was also mis-placed (some scenes simply didn't need ANY music).

amanset · Post by **amanset** » Mon May 28, 2007 12:11 am 0

Have to go against the flow here. I thought it was a very nice idea, but something was missing in the actual execution. Once the novelty of the situation wore off the pacing was quite poor in my opinion.

My girlfriend agreed with me.

merman · Post by **merman** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:13 am 0

amanset wrote:Have to go against the flow here. I thought it was a very nice idea, but something was missing in the actual execution. Once the novelty of the situation wore off the pacing was quite poor in my opinion.

My girlfriend agreed with me.

Probably best to wait until you see how it ends to decide on the pacing - you can't put too much into the first part.

I really enjoyed it, even more because I didn't know it was a two-parter when I started watching, so the cliffhanger gave me an "Oh noes" moment. And then I went into the kitchen to avoid the next week trail...

The notebook/sketchbook has to be my favourite moment of New Who so far.

xav · Post by **xav** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:17 am 0

Darkflame wrote:More like slicing bits of a rock.

Even a tree we could comprehend has being alive in some form.
But no one on that ship could be expected to remotely comprehend the possibility of a sun being alive.
Again, makes me wonder how these life-detectors in all sci-fis actualy work.

But it was explicitly mentioned that they didn't test for life because it takes to long to do.That implies that they must have known there was the possibility of it being alive, but chose not to check for dodgy commercial reasons.

So it's more like slicing bits of you off while you're asleep without bothering to check if you're alive or not.

Ely · Post by **Ely** » Mon May 28, 2007 12:27 pm 0

HGFB wrote:The 7th Doctor was much more badass.

I don't remember Michael Palin being Doctor Who?

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Mon May 28, 2007 6:17 pm 0

Ollie wrote:I did wonder why he gave one of the boys permission to admister a beating on the other one; IIRC, precisely the opposite of what he does in the book.

That was just a more televisual way to both portray the internal conflicts between Smith and the hidden Doctor that ran through the first half of the book (in which Smith was not asked for permission to beat but told to do so himself) and to suggest the extent of Tim's bullying by the other boys (which extended as far as hanging him in the original story). The scene quickly established Joan's disapproval of Smith's attitude which, in the book, was over his views on warfare. Either way, Smith is a man of his time (just as the children are only public schoolboys of the time) despite the niggling something inside of him which does not fit.

Ollie wrote:Also, did anyone else find the choice of hymn at the start interesting? "Let him in constancy follow The Master..."

I did indeed.

Jonesey wrote:[...] And it was clearly written for an older Doctor (Headmaster/Matron thing...and that is Sylvester McCoy on the cover of that book, right? ).

Smith is not the headmaster and, curiously, Joan was not a matron but a fellow teacher in the original tale.

I somehow find it very difficult to imagine Eccleston carrying off this story as well as Tennant has done.

Jonesey wrote:I stand by my earlier crit. of the incidental music as well - it was a bit annoying in places. [...]

I liked the music, especially the reuse of the little girl's theme from Ben's Remembrance.

Ollie wrote:And did anyone else notice the Arthur Dent reference?

"Baines Jeremy Baines"? Yes, I did, along with the reference to Sydney Newman and Verity Lambert as Smith's parents.

[Feeblez] · Post by **[Feeblez]** » Mon May 28, 2007 6:35 pm 0

Purple Grapefruit wrote:
[Feeblez] wrote:And it would be nice if any future assistants were orphans .
Eh?
Arguably the Doctor's (Hartnell) first assistant
was his own granddaughter and from what
i remember there was a bit of an ongoing domestic
between them as well.
Edit*@Feeblez, sorry if i misunderstood your point there.I have
made some assumptions as to what you were inferring.*

I just meant that having to have the assistants family feature in every episode is getting a bit tired.

The focus should be on The Doctor, not the companion, i don't think they always get the balance right.

Back on topic, this week was a good episode, i was glad it was in 2 parts, and hopefully the ending won't be a cop out, what with it being adapted from a dr.who book.

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:16 pm 0

Harlequin wrote:I somehow find it very difficult to imagine Eccleston carrying off this story as well as Tennant has done.

No, maybe not Ecclestone - but I can easily imagine most of the previous Doctors making a decent job of it.

the reference to Sydney Newman and Verity Lambert as Smith's parents.

Ooh, well spotted... wasn't Verity an old sweetheart in the book?