Well, sorry to phrase it like that actualy..that was childish.Snakey wrote:Ok, you can stop trying to be clever now...Darkflame wrote:And theres me thinking they made the sensor bar and wiimote at the last minute, with off the shelf componants they just slapped together with no R&D needed, and it all worked perfectly first time
(not to mention they never bothered trying out any other designs...they went straight for the final)
But Miyamoto backs up what i was saying just as much, if not moreso, as he does you.
(Of course, comments like the NAND memory you could, fairly, say he is lying about.)
Yes, that does sound a bit off :-/That bit is clearly an excuse.If we hadn't used NAND flash memory [to store data such as games and photos] and other pricey parts, we might have succeeded
Unless, I guess, they wernt planning any flash memory at all at first. (so no Wii channels as we know them).
It becomes so apperent you either dont read what I say, or try to twist it subconciously. When did I ever say they wernt trying to manufactor it as cheaply as possible?As for your other comments, it IS off the shelf components, and it WOULD have worked first time if they'd have thought about it a bit more before sticking them all together. I don't know... Miyamoto himself tells you they were trying to make it as cheap as possible but you still chose to believe they went the most expensive route on purpose?
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Of course, like everyone else, they would try to. It would be utterly stupid not too.
The R&D that goes into knowing what componants to get, and how best to fit them together. (and that itself is only after the design is chosen). Any company is a fool to go for the first design slapped up.
Miyamoto earlier backed me up, I notice, by mentioning they went over many controller designs and prototypes.
To me, this seemed obvious, of course they didnt go for the final one first time.
You know, quoteing out of concept, that line almost makes sense. Every company, or individual, should spend time working out what to do before going ahead with something, yes.and it WOULD have worked first time if they'd have thought about it a bit more before sticking them all together.
Only, when talking of controller designs, you couldnt possibly know how well it would work untill it gets put together. Even assuming everything works as planned on a technical bases, a design may turn out impractical, unusable, or just plan uninspiring.
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Miyamoto is saying they tried to make it cheap, and failed. That makes perfect sense to me. Of course they tried to make it cheaper. (I bet sony and microsoft tried to make their systems cheaper too)
What I was argueing with was the idea that making a console is like lego...you just make a design on a whim, and slap the bits together.
The fact that Nintendo is saying it came out more expensive for them
shows, like with any design, things went wrong, requirements changed, and a few things likely went a bit over their budgets.
They probably had an agreed profitmargin to slap on the system that hasnt changed, so originaly the console was probably intended to be $100 includeing their profitlines.
(Of course, the initial profitmargins were set probably thinking the Wii was a big risk...a lot more then it seems to be now. So they could have backed down on them)
Wasnt me guv :-/I told you that too, and you said I was full of shit.
I did argued a lot about the claims nintendo "Had nothing".
In fact ,I specificaly said Nintendo likely had many ideas and prototypes and would be working to pick what one to actauly use.
Also, I was the one saying getting the wiimote design "Right" would take a lot more effort then merely the chip, so I wouldnt have argued at all with it taking that long.
You said they did spend nothing on console technology, a subtle difference.... which is exactly what I said.My idea was to spend nothing on the console technology
Find me a quote where Nintendo said the system would be sub $100 then.... yet you claim Nintendo never said anything like this, to anybody. They bloody well did.
Nintendo never gave any price to anyone, they merely said it would be affordable. Which can be interpreted as cheaper, certainly not
$100.
As I said at the time, and still say now, the whole "It WiLL bE MeGAcHeap!" stuff was blown out of preportion by the optimistic fanboys. Probably sensible someone, like you, worked out componant prices, someone unsensible look it as total littaral cost and the rumours spread from there.
Imo, this is far more likely then Nintendo leaking these rumours themselfs. A company gains nothing from pretending a system is cheaper to make then it turns out to be. (pretending it costs more pre-release would give a physcological advantage in some ways, but not pretending its cheaper).
Yes, which is why the 'sensor bar' is called a 'sensor bar' even though it's nothing of the sort. The sensor is now in the controller. I told you that, too.[/quote]It worked just fine in the ideal environment, but bright lights and sunlight interfered with its accuracy.
again, wasnt me guv, I never argued with that :-/
I did say,with a bit of fiddling, they should be able to extrapolate distance from that data. I also commented about how "low level" access to the wiimote sensor (by which we mean the chip in the controller that does the work) will be.
But nope, not argueing the sensor is in the controller. (remember when we were argueing over the chip? did you think I thought the chip was in the sensorbar
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