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Yes it would but it still won't be even that by the time this ends and remember this is very very age related so even in my age group 50-55 it will be much much lower and for anyone under 30 magnitudes lower.....

And just to show how low are sampling stats are and why without much more data high death rates are just guesswork
Germany has seen just 52 deaths from the virus so far despite recording 18,361 infections — more than anywhere except China, Italy, Iran and Spain. Just 0.3 per cent,
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How's the disaster porn thread going?
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Deckard wrote:And just to show how low are sampling stats are and why without much more data high death rates are just guesswork
Germany has seen just 52 deaths from the virus so far despite recording 18,361 infections — more than anywhere except China, Italy, Iran and Spain. Just 0.3 per cent,
Indeed. I linked to an article analysing why that should be in the very post I was correcting. A higher rate of testing is by no means the only likely reason.
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Couple of times now when having to nip to the shop for things there's been "some group of kids" hanging about in/around the shops (most dangerous category as they don't understand the problem, naturally rebellious, most likely to be asymptomatic, will have passed it around a lot at school etc) and they are pretty sharp and notice if anyone glances at them or tries to pass without getting too close. Then suddenly you get the deliberate fake coughing and "ahh this coronavirus" remark as you're passing. Was with my dad earlier and this happened (he's a bit nervous with all this at the mo) - some part of me wanted to slap the kid's stupid flippant face into next Thursday. Purposefully coughing at someone who is in a vulnerable category, fake or not, should be treated as something on the scale between "assault" and "attempted murder".
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Cloudane wrote:Couple of times now when having to nip to the shop for things there's been "some group of kids" hanging about in/around the shops (most dangerous category as they don't understand the problem, naturally rebellious, most likely to be asymptomatic, will have passed it around a lot at school etc) and they are pretty sharp and notice if anyone glances at them or tries to pass without getting too close. Then suddenly you get the deliberate fake coughing and "ahh this coronavirus" remark as you're passing. Was with my dad earlier and this happened (he's a bit nervous with all this at the mo) - some part of me wanted to slap the kid's stupid flippant face into next Thursday. Purposefully coughing at someone who is in a vulnerable category, fake or not, should be treated as something on the scale between "assault" and "attempted murder".
Purposefully fake coughing is attempted murder.

I appreciate the stress, I've elderly parents, and a vulnerable wife, but this is Daily Mail reader levels of bellendness.
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(o)(o) wrote:Could it be that covid19 has spread much further and wider than the data suggests, and the death rate is far lower than we think?
There's a suggestion at the moment that 50-75% of people who get it are asymptomatic, which would support that idea.
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Baggypants wrote:Purposefully fake coughing is attempted murder.

I appreciate the stress, I've elderly parents, and a vulnerable wife, but this is Daily Mail reader levels of bellendness.
I said "somewhere on the scale" not "the end of the scale", wind your fucking neck in.
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Cloudane wrote:
Baggypants wrote:Purposefully fake coughing is attempted murder.

I appreciate the stress, I've elderly parents, and a vulnerable wife, but this is Daily Mail reader levels of bellendness.
I said "somewhere on the scale" not "the end of the scale", wind your fucking neck in.
I will if you just let the kids cough. They're probably as freaked out and stressed about it as you are but are tying to keep it together. They don't need to be dehumanised.
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Baggypants wrote:I will if you just let the kids cough. They're probably as freaked out and stressed about it as you are but are tying to keep it together. They don't need to be dehumanised.
I didn't stop them, I just complained about them on the internet.

Still, I'm not going to just accept them coughing in the face of an anxious pensioner without moaning about it just because some prick on an internet forum is worried about their feelings. They're the same sort of bullies I used to deal with at that age and honestly fuck them.
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New Zealand is going to stage 3 now, in preparation for stage 4 in 48 hours. Total lockdown for at least four weeks.
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Baggypants wrote:How's the disaster porn thread going?
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Baggypants wrote:They don't need to be dehumanised.
Agreed. But you're the one who's actually doing that here, I feel.

Absolving them of reasonable personal responsibility for their own actions, to not unnecessarily act like twats, is the actual "special pleading" that's happening here.

Holding them to the very same standards of decent human behaviour as every other person is treating them as the autonomous human beings that they are.

They might well be as freaked out and stressed about it as everyone else - though that is speculation and not a known fact - but all the more reason why they should, as human beings, empathise with not freaking out and stressing others. And certainly not be taking an amused pleasure out of it, which they clearly were, because "it's just a prank, bro".

You're the one "dehumanising" them, as you're classifying them as a "special case" - distinct from everyone - who doesn't have the same rights and responsibilities as everyone else, to have every right to be there as long as they abide by the exact same standards of decent human behaviour as everyone else was doing, because you imagine - we don't know, you're just speculating - that they might be freaked out and stressed, which you're holding as a higher priority than those others they are definitely, as a known fact, freaking out and stressing by their actions.

You're not treating them as autonomous human beings, equal to everyone else, but are "special pleading" for them to be given exception for their speculated bad feelings - which we don't even know is actually true, as many youths erroneously believe themselves to be magically immune to this, that simply isn't true - above the known bad feelings of those who're known to be more vulnerable.

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Cloudane wrote:Was with my dad earlier and this happened (he's a bit nervous with all this at the mo)
Was there a particular reason why your father, who's in a vulnerable category, was accompanying you shopping, rather than staying at home and having you do the shopping on behalf of everyone?

The kids were being twats. No question.

But your father should surely not be placing himself in a situation where this could even be happening to him in the first place?

Vulnerable groups should remain at home, and you can do their shopping for them, yes?

Seriously, folks. This is not a game. Everyone needs to very rapidly appreciate the gravity of all this, pronto.
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Agree people don't seem to appreciate the situation at all. Lots of people here in Yorkshire decided to go to the coastal towns over the weekend and treat it as an early Easter holiday. According to the residents it was as busy as a bank holiday. :( Although sure shopkeepers were keeping everything open too so compounding the problem.

Talking to my Mum and asked her how she is doing fine was the answer then mentioned she was getting her hair done this week..... I said really? Have they not cancelled all appointments? No. I told her to use her initiative and cancel it. :roll: This was after she told me the police were blocking tourists coming into the town via cars (she lives on the coast up here).

People don't get it. Sent this over to her. Given she is asthmatic too think she now gets it.

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Indeed.

(And also note her age - can we please start dispelling the idea that younger people are magically bulletproof to this? Yes, they have better odds, but those odds - unless you're under 10 years old - are not zero. Plus, of course, it's just the logic of contagion - even if you're fine then you're still entirely capable of spreading it to those who absolutely won't be fine.)

And the big one here is to note that she's arguably one of the lucky ones.

She has an intensive care bed. She has a ventilator. She has catheters. The staff are there for her and actually know her name.

If the numbers get too big too fast - as has already been happening in Italy - and it starts exceeding how many ICU beds the NHS has, it starts exceeding the number of ventilators available, it starts exceeding the capacity of the staff to provide reasonable care because there's just too many people, then it could end up looking like this:

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Camp beds in a sports hall. Barely any medical equipment. No possibility of individual care.

People just namelessly laid out in rows and columns, waiting for their immune systems to either deal with it... or it doesn't.

No funerals nor wakes, because we can't have mass gatherings. With governments already planning, if necessary, mass burials.

This is absolutely NOT an early Easter holiday.

As she says, take no chances. None whatsoever. Stay at home.
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PFVA wrote:I would say people in Lagos should know that chloroquine has some dangerous side effects specially in hugh dosages. They have to take it for malaria down there.
Last year before to go to Brazil I had the full 20 days course of Malarone .. does this make me more protected ??? ( anti-malaria vaccine ).
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