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Smartmatic have sued Fox & Fox News, their presenters Lou Dobbs, Janine Pirro, and Maria Bartiromo personally, along with Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell. For 2.7 billion dollars.

Fox have already dropped Dobbs like a hot potato.

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The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable.
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The whole thing is equally entertaining. I wonder if any of the people named in that complaint have ever read Terry Pratchetts "The Truth"...?
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As an OCD and suspected ASD member of a family of pedants, I feel I must point out that those latter facts are, indeed demonstrably refutable. Indeed, this is demonstrated by the case hinging on them having been refuted by the Massive Dump and at least some of the defendants.
F-ZeroOne wrote:The whole thing is equally entertaining. I wonder if any of the people named in that complaint have ever read Terry Pratchetts "The Truth"...?
I often enjoy the less formal language that seems to be employed in U.S. and Australian courts.
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56-44 in favour of the impeachment being constitutional.

44 Republicans still think Trump did nothing wrong on January 6th. It’s still his party.
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merman wrote:56-44 in favour of the impeachment being constitutional.

44 Republicans still think Trump did nothing wrong on January 6th. It’s still his party.
More accurately 44 thought that the trial of an ex president was not constitutional. That was a completly different question than that of his guilt. That will be decided by his trial and the final vote. Its still I think unlikely that enough Republicans will vote to convict but thats for the future.
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An interesting question to raise would be if those 44 would have voted on the constitutionality of impeaching a President after they'd left office in the same way if it had been a Democrat President... (and yes, I'm aware that the Democrats would then be in the same situation on the issue). I wonder if anyone has actually asked any of them that?

Trumps new legal team got off to a good start by one of them initially introducing himself as the prosecutor before rapidly correcting himself...
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F-ZeroOne wrote:Trumps new legal team got off to a good start by one of them initially introducing himself as the prosecutor before rapidly correcting himself...
And he only got worse from there. Some have theorised that he is going for the Chewbacca defence. The Massive Dump was allegedly not amused.


CNN's 'The 21 most utterly bizarre lines from Trump impeachment lawyer Bruce Castor' wrote:2. "And you will not hear any member of the team representing former President Trump say anything, but in the strongest possible way denounce the violence of the rioters and those that breached the Capitol, the very subtle of our democracy, literally the symbol that flashes on television whenever you're trying to explain that we're talking about the United States, instant symbol."
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5. "We are so understanding of the concept that people's minds can be overpowered with emotion, where logic does not immediately kick in, that we have recognized examples that otherwise would be hearsay and said that, no, when you're driving down the street, and you look over at your wife, and you say, 'Hey, you know what, that guy is about to drive through the red light and kill that person,' your wife can testify to what you said, because, even though it's technically hearsay, it's an exception, because it's the event living through the person."
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7. "When I was growing up in suburban Philadelphia, my parents were big fans of Everett Dirksen from Illinois. And Senator Dirksen recorded a series of lectures that my parents had on a record. And we still know what records are, right, on the thing you put the needle down on and you play it."
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12."You know, it's funny. This is an aside, but it's funny. You ever notice how, when you're talking or you hear others talking about you when you're home in your state, the -- they will say, you know, I talked to my senator or I talked to somebody on the staff of my senator. It's always my senator. Why is it that we say my senator? We say that because the people you represent are proud of their senators."
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14. "The other day, when I was down here in Washington -- I came down earlier in the week to try to figure out how to find my way around. I worked in this building 40 years ago. I got lost then, and I still do."
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17. "You know, it's interesting because I don't want to steal the thunder from the other lawyers but Nebraska -- and you're going to hear -- is quite a judicial thinking place, and just maybe [Tramp critic] Senator Sasse is onto something, and you'll hear about what it is that the Nebraska courts have to say about the issue that you all are deciding this week. There seem to be some pretty smart jurists in Nebraska and I can't believe a United States senator doesn't know that."
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19. "I'll be quite frank with you, we changed what we were going to do on account that we thought that the House manager's presentation was well done."
And so rests his contribution to the argument that the trial is unconstitutional.
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In no suirprise to anyone The Senate voted to not impeach 57 Guilty 42 Not Guilty. 7 Republicans voted with the democrats.
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The ghost of raids past wrote:In no suirprise to anyone The Senate voted to not impeach 57 Guilty 42 Not Guilty. 7 Republicans voted with the democrats.
I am surprised that one more Republican voted to convict than voted in favour of the impeachment's constitutionality.
Senator Richard Burr wrote:When this process started, I believed that it was unconstitutional to impeach a president who was no longer in office. I still believe that to be the case. However, the Senate is an institution based on precedent, and given that the majority in the Senate voted to proceed with this trial, the question of constitutionality is now established precedent. As an impartial juror, my role is now to determine whether House managers have sufficiently made the case for the article of impeachment against President Trump.
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The evidence is compelling that President Trump is guilty of inciting an insurrection against a coequal branch of government and that the charge rises to the level of high Crimes and Misdemeanors. Therefore, I have voted to convict.
McConnell, however, wants to keep his cake after eating it. In practice, that should leave him covered in shit:

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So he decided the Senate has no jurisdiction to convict an ex-President despite it being clear, by vote and by precedent, that it does, so he voted that the Tramp is innocent despite elsewhere admitting that he is as guilty as pre-digested cake.
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... so .. Trump again for president in 2024 or The Proud Boys running another American Revolution :?: :!:

[edit] - also this REALLY ( NOT only in USA mind you , there are many other countries in the world where it sounds like that ) SOUNDS like "There's SO much shit, but we are ALL in this shit that we DON'T really want to fix that shit so IT HAS to remain like that" ..

I.e. "if we impeach him that could end up in backfiring for us" so we can't/should NOT do it ?

I think it proves "the system is so FUBAR" .. and that's the best way to put it.

Honestly, I don't see Biden as ANY sort of "savior" or such, mark my words "there's something strange in that guy, I can't trust him as well" ..

He may/hopefully be better than Trump, that should be NOT too difficult .. but .. "I still don't trust him", there's .. "something" ... that does not sound too well with him ...

It's a gut feeling ...

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"The UK Prime Minister says he has an 'excellent' relationship with new president Joe Biden" ...
.. I rest my case ..



.. this is going to be SO much shit, I wish I could go away from UK somewhere else, but where ??
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America, land of the dumb.
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merman wrote:America, land of the dumb.
NO KIDDING !

Some time ago I had AN AMERICAN GUY/CITIZEN TELLING ME that "the proper American should be dumb, rich and fat" ..

Money, "easy life" and well fed ...
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More dumb... Republicans blaming the power cuts in Texas on Biden’s Green New Deal.

It hasn’t been put into law yet!

The whole reason Texas has problems during this storm is that the Republicans running the state for many years allowed electricity generation to be deregulated. That meant the state’s power grid was disconnected from neighbouring states, making it harder to buy in power. Fat cat shareholders had years of high dividends, but under higher demand the system broke down.
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merman wrote:More dumb... Republicans blaming the power cuts in Texas on Biden’s Green New Deal.

It hasn’t been put into law yet!

The whole reason Texas has problems during this storm is that the Republicans running the state for many years allowed electricity generation to be deregulated. That meant the state’s power grid was disconnected from neighbouring states, making it harder to buy in power. Fat cat shareholders had years of high dividends, but under higher demand the system broke down.
This whole Texas thing is eerily similar to act happened in South Australia back in 2016. Different natural trigger (massive storm rather than unexpected/unprecedented snow), but exactly the same rush by right-wing fossil fuel shilling politicians to instantly blame the power cuts on renewables, when the actual failures were of infrastructure.

Didn't stop those politicians insisting (with no evidence) that it was all because of "them there wind turbines", and didn't stop 99% of the media just repeating their lies and bullshit verbatim, without questioning it at all.

And then blaming renewables every subsequent time there was a power issue, despite the fact that afterwards it turned out it was ALWAYS due to failures within ageing and poorly maintained thermal power stations.

A Twitter thread from yesterday recapping the South Australia thing in reference to Texas now.
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merman wrote:More dumb... Republicans blaming the power cuts in Texas on Biden’s Green New Deal.

It hasn’t been put into law yet!

The whole reason Texas has problems during this storm is that the Republicans running the state for many years allowed electricity generation to be deregulated. That meant the state’s power grid was disconnected from neighbouring states, making it harder to buy in power. Fat cat shareholders had years of high dividends, but under higher demand the system broke down.
Not only that, but Biden doesn't support the Green New Deal. They have spent decades building a base of power on grievance since their policy positions are so bad. It's all they have.
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