Seriously, any country that stopped recommending masks in medical environments is killing people or crippling them with long COVID.PFVA wrote:I'm still wearing a mask when indoors crowded places and I just read a recommendation of the US Surgeon General to do just that. My doctor thinks it's a good idea too.
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Not having them in medical settings is weird indeed.
Still needing them by law on public transport was a culture shock on my visit to Germany. Not in a bad way. In shops they were still kind of rare sight but a lot more common than England still.
Still needing them by law on public transport was a culture shock on my visit to Germany. Not in a bad way. In shops they were still kind of rare sight but a lot more common than England still.
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In Italy there's "a new medical crisis" .. it seems ERs and doctors in general now are "super over loaded" with patients/visits many of people scared "they got Covid or else" and are coming into ER "at the first sign of anything" also as result of previous stress and cheap pay many doctors/nurses quit so there are less then before 
In fact there's been a high number of doctors/nurses that quit cause too much work, too less pay, too much stress and now they are a bit depleted.
Still Covid cases are really on the raise, Covid is NOT gone yet and people getting it are still quite a number.
You'll find articles like this : https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2022/ ... 377536968/
That they explain people "not to come to ER or such for a simple flu, it will pass in a couple of weeks".
Or things like this one : https://ilpiccolo.gelocal.it/trieste/cr ... -12391725/
That says "Viral infections on the raise, GPs under stress 'too many patients calling for them' " ..
It gets even worse, some doctors because of articles like those/them saying "don't come to ER for a simple cold" are receiving death treats and such.
At this rate I suppose you'll see the number of doctors dropping out ( of the job ) increase.
Mind you "Italy has a culture" of "going to/call a doctor for any kind of shit", you wake up in the morning with a new zit on you face you are at your GP in the afternoon I am not sure if you have that in UK BUT I GUARANTEE you we HAVE it in Italy that YOU CAN BE FINED FOR GOING TO ER FOR STUPID REASONS !
You GET the treatment BUT you get FINED as well ( 50 eur I think ) like "if you go to the ER because you needed a condom" ( I heard stories of even "worse" things like those happening ).
Mind you if you'd ever spent any time in an Italian ER "you'll see thing you'll never think you'd see" .. seems certain places "take out the WORST of certain people" ..
Anyway Covid is not finished, me and Jeff we still wear masks when we go in crowded places.
In fact there's been a high number of doctors/nurses that quit cause too much work, too less pay, too much stress and now they are a bit depleted.
Still Covid cases are really on the raise, Covid is NOT gone yet and people getting it are still quite a number.
You'll find articles like this : https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2022/ ... 377536968/
That they explain people "not to come to ER or such for a simple flu, it will pass in a couple of weeks".
Or things like this one : https://ilpiccolo.gelocal.it/trieste/cr ... -12391725/
That says "Viral infections on the raise, GPs under stress 'too many patients calling for them' " ..
It gets even worse, some doctors because of articles like those/them saying "don't come to ER for a simple cold" are receiving death treats and such.
At this rate I suppose you'll see the number of doctors dropping out ( of the job ) increase.
Mind you "Italy has a culture" of "going to/call a doctor for any kind of shit", you wake up in the morning with a new zit on you face you are at your GP in the afternoon I am not sure if you have that in UK BUT I GUARANTEE you we HAVE it in Italy that YOU CAN BE FINED FOR GOING TO ER FOR STUPID REASONS !
You GET the treatment BUT you get FINED as well ( 50 eur I think ) like "if you go to the ER because you needed a condom" ( I heard stories of even "worse" things like those happening ).
Mind you if you'd ever spent any time in an Italian ER "you'll see thing you'll never think you'd see" .. seems certain places "take out the WORST of certain people" ..
Anyway Covid is not finished, me and Jeff we still wear masks when we go in crowded places.
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I went to a hospital yesterday, visiting.
It is weird. There are still posters advising masks and many of the staff are still wearing them - not just in the wards, doing their job, but also in the public corridors andthe car parks when arriving and leaving work - but as it's not compulsory anymore, there are also plenty of patients - and some staff - who're not bothering.
So, it's a weird mix where, clinically, of course you should be wearing a mask - and the medical advice on all the posters ain't changed one jot, as it still advises distancing (because, of course, these things do still actually work and politics does not change the underlying medical facts) - but there's doctors with masks, talking to patients without, and vice versa. And you have to walk down a public corridor to get to the different wards and things - at best, maybe 20% of people (nearly all staff, but the odd patient) are bothering with masks in the public corridor.
I'm wearing my mask. Though, granted, I have to - as there is clinical compulsion for entry into certain wards for quarantine reasons. Like I say, it's a weird mix. In some parts of the hospital, Covid restrictions haven't slacked off an inch. But, in other parts, folks are wandering around coughing on each other and no-one seems to give a shit.
Staff are taking it more seriously than the public. But it's not universal. Saw a maskless doctor talking to a masked patient - which, frankly, just feels like bad "bedside manner" to ease the patient's worries, if nothing else.
It is weird. There are still posters advising masks and many of the staff are still wearing them - not just in the wards, doing their job, but also in the public corridors andthe car parks when arriving and leaving work - but as it's not compulsory anymore, there are also plenty of patients - and some staff - who're not bothering.
So, it's a weird mix where, clinically, of course you should be wearing a mask - and the medical advice on all the posters ain't changed one jot, as it still advises distancing (because, of course, these things do still actually work and politics does not change the underlying medical facts) - but there's doctors with masks, talking to patients without, and vice versa. And you have to walk down a public corridor to get to the different wards and things - at best, maybe 20% of people (nearly all staff, but the odd patient) are bothering with masks in the public corridor.
I'm wearing my mask. Though, granted, I have to - as there is clinical compulsion for entry into certain wards for quarantine reasons. Like I say, it's a weird mix. In some parts of the hospital, Covid restrictions haven't slacked off an inch. But, in other parts, folks are wandering around coughing on each other and no-one seems to give a shit.
Staff are taking it more seriously than the public. But it's not universal. Saw a maskless doctor talking to a masked patient - which, frankly, just feels like bad "bedside manner" to ease the patient's worries, if nothing else.
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Here too, just as in Italy.
Apparently Covid 19 + RSV (affecting children) + Flu is generating chaos at hospital with several hours of wait.
As for me, this morning:
cough, cough, cough, repeat
nose a little bit plugged
Hmmm, I feel better when I eat, that for me is generally a sign of common cold.
Plus when I went for my walk 3 days ago, Friday, the sun was hot.
Another sign of common cold.
I think I'll just get a blanket, "sorry Lincie, you can keep sitting on top of the other 3", a book, and my computer for entertainment and see how things go. If it gets worse I'll go to the pharmacy. But at least for now it's better to avoid hospitals and the clinic. With all those people packed there I may end up with something more serious.
Ow,and it's probably better not to go down to the boardwalk today.
Apparently Covid 19 + RSV (affecting children) + Flu is generating chaos at hospital with several hours of wait.
As for me, this morning:
cough, cough, cough, repeat
nose a little bit plugged
Hmmm, I feel better when I eat, that for me is generally a sign of common cold.
Plus when I went for my walk 3 days ago, Friday, the sun was hot.
Another sign of common cold.
I think I'll just get a blanket, "sorry Lincie, you can keep sitting on top of the other 3", a book, and my computer for entertainment and see how things go. If it gets worse I'll go to the pharmacy. But at least for now it's better to avoid hospitals and the clinic. With all those people packed there I may end up with something more serious.
Ow,and it's probably better not to go down to the boardwalk today.
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Well, after three years and four vaccinations its finally got me. Basically feels like a very bad cold, runny nose, general body ache, sore throat.
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It feels that way because of the four vaccinations.F-ZeroOne wrote:Well, after three years and four vaccinations its finally got me. Basically feels like a very bad cold, runny nose, general body ache, sore throat.
Governments are not updating the advice properly, to reflect the different post-jab symptoms.
The symptoms to look out for have changed, now there's general immunity. And it is now like the common cold for most (jabbed) people.
Because, yes, I thought I just had a bit of a cold about two weeks ago. And so did the person I was visiting in hospital (who's had all four jabs). But they did a test and they're Covid positive (they're not in hospital for Covid but that is a complicating factor that probably made things worse to hospitalise them). So, due to proximity and timing, it seems likely that my "cold" was, in fact, Covid. Again. But it was a very mild "cold" for me, which barely registered but for a runny nose and a cough for a day or two.
So, yeah, if you think you've got a cold, then you should probably still do a test. Because, now everyone's jabbed, that's generally how it's manifesting now. Covid is related to the common cold - a coronavirus cousin - and now folks have immunity to it, the body is apparently treating it in much the same way it deals with colds.
So, yeah, PFVA, I'd say that you should still do a test. I didn't think anything of my "cold" but, in hindsight, it was likely Covid.
It's still out there. It's still causing complications - particularly for those who already have other medical conditions.
And if you think you've got a "cold", then you should do a test. For jabbed people, that's generally how it's manifesting these days - because folks have immunity, the body tends to deal with it in the same way as it deals with the common cold (being as they are both coronaviruses), so the symptoms have switched to the sort of symptoms people have with the common cold.
Oh, well. I guess at least I've had my 3 month "natural booster" now.
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Aw, c'mon, man, you know better than that.
If you had what appeared to be a mild cold but you didn't do a test, you don't know if it was COVID or, y'know, just a mild cold. So you can't say that you're boosted. Because you don't know. I've probably got a 50 euro note in my pocket. But I haven't checked, so I can't go buy a round of beers.
As for it feeling like a common cold for people who are vaxxed up, I can certainly say that in my case it doesn't feel like that at all. It feels much more like flu. I'm on day 5 of being able to function more or less for about 2 hours at a time before absolutely requiring a lie down.
If you had what appeared to be a mild cold but you didn't do a test, you don't know if it was COVID or, y'know, just a mild cold. So you can't say that you're boosted. Because you don't know. I've probably got a 50 euro note in my pocket. But I haven't checked, so I can't go buy a round of beers.
As for it feeling like a common cold for people who are vaxxed up, I can certainly say that in my case it doesn't feel like that at all. It feels much more like flu. I'm on day 5 of being able to function more or less for about 2 hours at a time before absolutely requiring a lie down.
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It's very clear that it varies greatly. When I had it the first time, the day I tested positive (having late in the day lost my sense of smell) I'd done a 15-mile bike ride in the morning. I know people that it's laid up in bed and people (like my son) that wouldn't even have known they had it had they not failed a test.
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Hospital here has re-inroduced visiting restrictions.
One person for one hour per day is all that is allowed.
Would make me feel worse if I was in hospital and only had one person visit and that was for an hour max. The day must seem like it goes on forever.
One person for one hour per day is all that is allowed.
Would make me feel worse if I was in hospital and only had one person visit and that was for an hour max. The day must seem like it goes on forever.
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I've had Covid twice. First one (before vax was out) it was sniffles and loss of taste and smell. Even with the taste thing I resisted testing because I'd been masking everywhere and I had none of the other symptoms at all (no sore throat, headaches or cough).KlaxonCow wrote: It feels that way because of the four vaccinations.
Second time (August this year, following at least two jabs) I was flattened by it. I don't think there's much to the "it's better because of the vaccinations" theory. It's a disease with a ton of variants and each one affects everyone differently.
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AIUI the vaccines increase the likelihood that it'll be mild, but aren't a guarantee. It'd also depend on which vaccine, how recent it was and what variant it's up against.
Haven't followed the symptom study for a while though
Haven't followed the symptom study for a while though
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KlaxonCow, I'm aware without the vaccinations it would probably be worse. Funny thing is, when I first got symptoms yesterday I tested negative but positive today. It may have been that the test kit I used yesterday is a bit older than the one I used today.
And yeah, these "mild" symptoms are not fun.
And yeah, these "mild" symptoms are not fun.
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I have a feeling this is just a cold but if tomorrow isn't better I'll go th pharmacy which is very close to walk too.
The cough seems to have improved but the nose is giving indications it will start running soon.
I had lunch. I was hungry, I had a pork chop (black pig) and some mashed potatoes. I brought the 2nd pork chop homer dinner and the rest of the mashed potatoes. I had a chocolate mousse and a espresso. I came home feeling great, I fell asleep for a couple of hours. When I woke up I walked up the hill (only about 500-600m round trip to get an espresso and Lincie's food. That left me a little bit tired. Now I have sneezed a few times, have a little bit of scratch on the upper portion of the mouth which fm my experience can be allergic rhinitis, a lot of it around in the area.
I'll see tomorrow morning I'll go to the pharmacy if necessary, even if it's rhinitis.
Note: the fact there is chaos in Lisbon's hospitals with a 10h wait, and that there is a few ambulances going by has a little bit of psychological effect, even though the hospital which serves this area seems in much better shape than the inner city one.
The cough seems to have improved but the nose is giving indications it will start running soon.
I had lunch. I was hungry, I had a pork chop (black pig) and some mashed potatoes. I brought the 2nd pork chop homer dinner and the rest of the mashed potatoes. I had a chocolate mousse and a espresso. I came home feeling great, I fell asleep for a couple of hours. When I woke up I walked up the hill (only about 500-600m round trip to get an espresso and Lincie's food. That left me a little bit tired. Now I have sneezed a few times, have a little bit of scratch on the upper portion of the mouth which fm my experience can be allergic rhinitis, a lot of it around in the area.
I'll see tomorrow morning I'll go to the pharmacy if necessary, even if it's rhinitis.
Note: the fact there is chaos in Lisbon's hospitals with a 10h wait, and that there is a few ambulances going by has a little bit of psychological effect, even though the hospital which serves this area seems in much better shape than the inner city one.
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Symptoms are all over the place. A couple weeks ago I had a really bad cold, lots of coughing, some sore throat, general weakness. Of course everybody thought it was Covid, but it wasn't. Actually I'd have preferred to be positive, then I'd at least get the added immunity....