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SOS racism Has asked for an enquire from FIFA that led to the expulsion of Zidane. According to several sources the Italian player would have called him a "dirty terrorist". Based on fact that FIFA had placed the entire World Cup Tournament has a form to fight racism, SOS racism firmly asks that incident being investigated. This a summary of the article in French that is at the end of the post.

If in fact was true i don't think Zidane or anyone has the right to attack who made the coment. If in fact the coment has been made it may be a way to provoke another team's player rather than a belief in racism.

But there is a point, why are the racial slurs used so often during the games? Is it fair they are being used independently who they were used again. I also wonder if more players will come out protesting that.

Maybe the World Cup can be used to debate a bit the issue

CBS this morning also had a point. The players are idols for millions of children across the World. Zidane's agressivity is an not a good example but for sure the recurring to racial slurs is also not a good one.
SOS Racisme demande une enquête sur l'expulsion de Zidane



PARIS (Reuters) - L'organisation SOS Racisme a demandé à la Fédération internationale de football (Fifa) une enquête sur les circonstances qui ont entouré l'expulsion du meneur de jeu français Zinedine Zidane pour un coup de tête, lors de la finale du Mondial de football contre l'Italie.

"Selon plusieurs sources très bien informées dans le monde du football, il semblerait que le joueur italien Marco Materazzi ait traité Zinedine Zidane de 'sale terroriste'", écrit l'organisation dans un communiqué.

"Si cette hypothèse se confirmait, le joueur italien serait donc l'auteur d'un propos raciste", ajoute-t-elle. "Alors que l'ensemble du Mondial était placé sous le signe de la lutte contre le racisme (...), nous demandons à la Fifa d'être à la hauteur de ses déclarations."

"C'est pourquoi SOS Racisme demande avec fermeté à la Fifa de faire toute la lumière sur cette altercation et que les sanctions prévues par le règlement officiel soient appliquées le cas échéant", conclut SOS Racisme.

Le meneur de jeu français a été expulsé dix minutes avant la fin des prolongations lors de la finale de la Coupe du monde de football, finalement remportée aux tirs aux buts par l'Italie, dimanche soir à Berlin.

Zinedine Zidane a été sanctionné pour un coup de tête porté au thorax de Marco Materazzi, qui l'avait ceinturé quelques instants auparavant et qu'on avait vu, à la télévision, parler au footballeur français.
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If it was a racist comment, then he should be punished. But thats still no excuse for committing assault.
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That i agree.
At the end of the GermanyXArgentinian game that German player was supended for one game for assaulting the Argentian who called him a Nazi, which is as wrong as calling Zidane a terrorist, but due to the circunstances he got just probation for the other two games. I don't know if the Argentinian was punished or not.

Maybe there is a question of defining some kind of punishment for racial insults even though i'm not very sure how can we keep track of those.
If diving should not be accepted because in fact it's not football and takes away from the game nor should the racial insults independently of which country's player is the victim.

What i'm really not sure about is how to prove those.
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PFVA wrote:What i'm really not sure about is how to prove those.
Thats the problem, unfortunately. If the officials don't catch it then it's just the word of one player against the word of another.
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Racial slurs coming out of Italian football? Say it ain't so!
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Although this issue may deserve further investigation, since neither Zidane nor Materazzi talked to anyone about the incident, and it wasn't possible to read the sentence from Materazzi's lips, the interpretation given by "The Guardian" was totally gratuitous.


However, you can live that moment again:
http://widelec.org/zidane.html
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merman wrote: Two possibilities... a basketball/hockey style card system. So "technical" fouls like stopping a free kick from being taken quickly and diving could be given a "green card" as a warning. A second green offence or a serious challenge would be a "yellow card" and carry a period of time in the sin-bin. Finally two yellows or a very serious foul (like headbutting someone in the chest for tweaking your nipples) would get a straight "red".
I'm 100% behind an off-field referee with access to video replays. There can be a list of offences, say violent conduct and diving for a start, that the off-field referee can over-rule the on-field referee for. So if the off-field referee sees something, he contacts the on-field referee (they had such communication devices in this world cup) and tells him exactly who to book. When the ball goes dead the player gets his punishment.

In my opinion this has to be the way football moves goes otherwise it is just going to become a joke. The technology is there, there is no issue.
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One final thing, I am amazed at the people who think the Italian chap didn't go down suspiciously fast after the headbutt. Since when did a headbutt in the chest hurt that much? Christ, as a fifteen year old playing Rugby I was expected to just shrug off harder stuff than that.
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Footballers are a special breed who have been known to fall down from the movement of the air caused by a tackle that missed by a mile. It's more surprising that the guy didn't go flying into the stands.
passplay> is anyone else sitting with their balls gently nestled in a bowl of red jello?
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amanset wrote:One final thing, I am amazed at the people who think the Italian chap didn't go down suspiciously fast after the headbutt. Since when did a headbutt in the chest hurt that much? Christ, as a fifteen year old playing Rugby I was expected to just shrug off harder stuff than that.
There's a difference when you're totally off guard.
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ElfQrin wrote: There's a difference when you're totally off guard.
I'm not going to argue the point. I'm surprised, he went down as if he was shot. That's all.
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amanset wrote:
ElfQrin wrote: There's a difference when you're totally off guard.
I'm not going to argue the point. I'm surprised, he went down as if he was shot. That's all.
Think Bruce Lee and the one-inch punch... ;)

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Flabio wrote:If it was a racist comment, then he should be punished. But thats still no excuse for committing assault.
I agree with that. There's no excuse for racism either. Perhaps if racist
abuse caused as much outrage as a headbutt we'd be getting somewhere.
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the BBC wrote:There is chaos in the streets as overjoyed Italians surround the team's bus as it makes its way from the airport
It's Italy... what else *is* there on the streets...?

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To me, it looked like a very strong headbutt, so the player was justified in falling down...

BBC News employed a lip reader, who seemed to suggest that Materazzi said he hoped Zidane's family all died of something horrible and that Zidane should go forth and multiply... considering Zidane had just heard his mother was ill, rather insensitive and designed to wind him up.
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