Football: WORLD CUP 06 and close season/transfer discussion.

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A fun comment i heard on the Radio here: they were discussing football is a very tiring game for the players and they have to run for quite a while. Then someone (a former American Football player) said that it was so tiring that the players just start to fall. The slight touch and they just fall. Then some start falling without even being touched. They're just so tired they can't go anymore and they just... fall.

Well that explains the diving. It's just tiredness.

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P.S. They also wanted why does the Italian team dress in blue when the flag colours are red, white, and green, and the French team known as "les bleus" dressed in white. (Actually i don't know either i thought maybe it's because red and green are clashing colours)
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Materazzi is a cheating c*unt. But why should this surprise us as the Italians have a history of cheating, worse than any other league in the world. Can you imagine Man U being relagated by 2 divisions ? Paolo Rossi was banned for 6 months before the 1982 WC.

I can forgive Zidane, as simply put every man has a breaking point, whether justified or not. So he is human. What is unacceptable are the people who go onto the field with the deliberate aim of abusing their fellow players, with slanders, racism and profanities.

I don't condone Zidane's actions but I can forgive them. Materazzi remains scum, in my view.
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Yes I'm sure Zidane was justified in his actions. As he was with for headbutting Jochen Kientz and stamping on Fuad Amin. He's Zidane! He can do whatever the hell he wants! Rules do not apply to him!
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Guru-Meditation wrote:Yes I'm sure Zidane was justified in his actions. As he was with for headbutting Jochen Kientz and stamping on Fuad Amin. He's Zidane! He can do whatever the hell he wants! Rules do not apply to him!
I don't think that is what I said. No doubt you spent some time trawling these names up. A lot of genius is flawed and Zidane is no exception. When the truth comes out about what Materazzi said then we can all judge the matter with all the facts.
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Dr Morbeus wrote:I don't think that is what I said. No doubt you spent some time trawling these names up. A lot of genius is flawed and Zidane is no exception. When the truth comes out about what Materazzi said then we can all judge the matter with all the facts.
Not really. I knew he'd head butted someone else and that appeared in his wiki, and a simple google search for "zidane stamp 1998" brings up the Saudi players name.

As for the fact his disciplinary (sp?) record is worse than Vinnie Jones, it was casually mentioned in the magazine l'Equipe.

I can't help but think of Pratchett when I think of Zidane, for his comment (and I paraphrase because I can't remember it exactly) "if cats looked like frogs we'd realise what manipulative bitches they are and not give them as much leeway as we do".

Racism sucks, but Zidane apparently can't cope with name calling. Hell if someone insulted me on the pitch I'd want to smack six pieces of shit out of him. But on the world stage, with hundreds of million of people watching, some of which who idolise your every move and look up to you, he acted stupid.

Maybe he should have played in the UK a while. Cantona completely lost it once, but mellowed out for it. He had similar flaws to Zidane. He was petulent and constantly getting in trouble in France. In the UK he eventually mellowed out because most of us loved his insanity. He was certainly in far less trouble in the UK than he was in France and was able to take his game to the next level, even if the French national team were never able to harness it because they always looked at him as they had in his younger years.

Rooney was 20 and stupid. Beckham was 22 and stupid. For some reason I'm finding it harder to accept that a legend at the age of 34 can still be so petulent. Violence on the football field can never be justified.
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Does Zidane have a self destruct button - yes. Did Cantona and Maradona, yes. That is not in doubt. Is it a tragedy that Zidane ends his career on such a low point, of course it is. I said I wasn't condoning his actions and I'm not. I do want to know what Materazzi said to him - to see if it goes over the line of the acceptable. Of course violence has no place on the sports pitch, but then neither do racist jibes, if that is what is proved. Of course at 34 he should have known better, he must have heard it all before. Unfortunately the same gene that provides the genius sometimes provides the flaw as well.

In life as in football, I'm more prepared to understand the man who reacts badly to provocation than to the person who needlessly provokes others.
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Age/experience is irrelevant. He's human and therefore prone to lapses of self-control. It's absurd to rationalise what he did in context of the occasion/knowledge of camera coverage, etc. Hands up anyone here who hasn't made a bit of an arse of themselves by acting impulsively?

Five Live this morning are claiming Materazzi called Zidane "the son of a terrorist whore". Given that his mother is ill in hospital, you've got to admire the restraint.
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If thats true and it had been me, I'd have done the same or worse.

I feel Zidane is being made out to be the bad one here, regardless of the fact it just happened to be the most important game in world football is irrelevent, he gave the guy what he deserved. The sad part being it *was* the most important game of football in the world and as such he will be long remembered for being a violent thug which he has to live with.
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Longish, but funny article in The Guardian, summing up the tournament.
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That's what's so queasy about the whole situation - masses of holier-than-thou, tabloidy, knee-jerk outrage over a (fairly tame) burst of violence, but not much of an appetite for pursuing and punishing Materazzi for cowardly racial abuse.
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No Name wrote:Longish, but funny article in The Guardian, summing up the tournament.
"Pringles-flicking twatbluster" = genius
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Sickboy wrote:but not much of an appetite for pursuing and punishing Materazzi for cowardly racial abuse.
That might change if someone who heard what was said actually tells the press what it was.
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Sickboy wrote: Five Live this morning are claiming Materazzi called Zidane "the son of a terrorist whore". Given that his mother is ill in hospital, you've got to admire the restraint.
It amazes and scares me how people can believe everything it's written on the press or said on the news with no evidence whatsoever.

Materazzi lost his mum at the age of 14 and he said he would never had offended a mother. He also said the only "terrorist" he knows is her daughter Anna, who's ten months old. "The Guardian" which first suggested (invented) he said "terrorist" today supports BBC version ("I wish an ugly death to you and all your family, go fuck yourself").

The most probable version so far (that hasn't been denied by Zidane or Materazzi) it seems he said something about Zidane's sister (which could have something to do with twisting Zidane's nipple).
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ElfQrin wrote:
Sickboy wrote: Five Live this morning are claiming Materazzi called Zidane "the son of a terrorist whore". Given that his mother is ill in hospital, you've got to admire the restraint.
It amazes and scares me how people can believe everything it's written on the press or said on the news with no evidence whatsoever.
Well, they're claiming to have used a lip-reader to phonetically relay his comments to an Italian translator. Sounds a lot more scientific than a load of agenda-blurred hearsay, to me...
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There is no fullproof way to know what was said until both players decide to tell us. So while we can condemn Materazzi for something he might've said, there's nothing concrete. Wheras millions of people definitely saw Zidane assault him.

I'm condoning neither persons actions, but you can't punish someone without evidence of what they've done or you're getting into very dubious territory indeed.
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