Coronavirus Pandemic

[Harlequin]

Just went out into our street to clap for the NHS at 8pm. Lovely atmosphere. Felt the warmth of the community around. Lovely moment of positivity during this whole debacle and one I won't forget.

Where was that organised? This is the first I've heard of it, and if it happened on this street I ought to have heard the clapping.

I knew nothing about it (although I was aware that something was going to happen on a church wall in Brighton). I was in VR and suddenly heard a few minutes of many people clapping and cheering on the street (NW London).

[MattyP]

Just went out into our street to clap for the NHS at 8pm. Lovely atmosphere. Felt the warmth of the community around. Lovely moment of positivity during this whole debacle and one I won't forget.

Where was that organised? This is the first I've heard of it, and if it happened on this street I ought to have heard the clapping.

It was on the BBC news this morning. Someone in London started organising it and it went viral....

[PFVA]

They have been doing it in several cities, Paris, Madrid, Lisbon.

Here we have entered the steep rising curve. Now officially 3544 and 60 deaths.

Besides the retirement and nursing homes there is a 2nd case of a group of migrant workers (agriculture) being quarentened after one resting positive. The living conditions of these migrant workers always leave a lot to be desired.

As yesterday i had a quiet and relaxing day. There is signs of some rupture in the supply of my cigarrettes but i have some for backup. I miss a little bit going to the boardwalk and seeing the river and sea up closer but i can't complain as i can see it in the distance:

The Estuary in the Distance

Note: There is no restriction preventing me fm going down to the boardwalk because is only 2 Km away and within the municipality but i'm avoiding to leave my area.

[Little stoned kiwi]

The NZ government is making a total hash of the lockdown. Kudos for doing it, but there is so much uncertainty.
It will be for a minimum of four weeks - so could go longer. That is the first uncertainty they can be forgiven for.
It's confusing what can or can't stay open. A lot of manufacturing is still going because they supply essential industries. Some of them with very tenuous links where they are also doing non-essential work. A large butcher chain is pissed because they have been told to close with $3 million of stock going to waste (they can't even give it away as they can't go into the stores to get it), when they felt they were compliant with the determination of essential and didn't receive conformation one way or the other despite pushing for it in the lead up to the lockdown. Yet a tobacco company is allowed to stay open and keep making cigarettes. Everyone has to go to the supermarket as that's all that's open. They aren't coping and surely that must be a health hazard as everyone needs to go at some point. It's not like we're short on food in the country but the supermarkets are a bottleneck everyone has to squeeze through.
The government is offering a wage subsidy scheme to businesses but keep changing how that will work and who is eligible. My work has given us two weeks special leave, paying us out of their own pocket, until they know what's going on (go them! But by contract they have to give two weeks notice before changing the roster and aren't legally allowed to force us to use our leave). There's a six month mortgage payment freeze for people who need it...no word on renters situation yet. Some property management companies and landlords are being right dicks
about their rent, literally breaking the law as rent increases and evictions are illegal during the lockdown period.


It's the uncertainty that's taking a toll. People are going to become more and more anxious the longer it drags on.

Makes for some amusing media stories though. Property investor claims human rights breach as Govt clamps down amid coronavirus outbreak Floundering investors literally think not being able to screw with tenants is a breach of their human rights.

[Ollie]

Interestingly, in the UK, much more likely dead than recovered going by that graph.

IMO, that's more than likely a reflection of how terribly the UK is doing in terms of detection.

I'm not so sure. If you go back 2 weeks in the UK, you have 798 confirmed - i.e., detected - cases, but so far only 135 confirmed recoveries. Meanwhile 578 deaths, which suggests that either the death rate in the UK is rather higher than elsewhere, or that people who die are dying faster and people who recover are recovering more slowly than elsewhere.

[tufty]

Interestingly, in the UK, much more likely dead than recovered going by that graph.

IMO, that's more than likely a reflection of how terribly the UK is doing in terms of detection.

I'm not so sure. If you go back 2 weeks in the UK, you have 798 confirmed - i.e., detected - cases, but so far only 135 confirmed recoveries. Meanwhile 578 deaths, which suggests that either the death rate in the UK is rather higher than elsewhere, or that people who die are dying faster and people who recover are recovering more slowly than elsewhere.

Well yeah, but you're only going to get confirmed recoveries from confirmed *cases*. So if detection is bad, recovery rate will also be bad.

[tufty]

I know this is a really horrible reaction, and I'm not proud of it, but



https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status ... 11200?s=20

[(o)(o)]

Johnson quote :

[Deckard]

From watching InkMaster everyone knows you do elbow bumps....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbow_bump

[guythp]

Far be it from me to doubt the accuracy of the news but I've noticed they sometimes specify 'Covid19' but otherwise generalise 'Corona Virus', is this just simplifying numbers for us plebs or are they deliberately using the latter to cover anyone with a corona virus and not specifically covid19?
Also on occasion they says someone 'died with corona virus' as opposed to 'died from corona virus', is it careful/deliberate wording or am I just being sceptical/paranoid?

[(o)(o)]

Here's a thing.

Johnson visited QE2 on 11/3/20.

What happens if the PM accidentally kills the Queen?

[gilesgoat]

Here's a thing.

Johnson visited QE2 on 11/3/20.

What happens if the PM accidentally kills the Queen?

What happens if the Queen dies and they cannot do any of those planned celebrations because of Coronavirus ?

[KlaxonCow]

Now the Health Secretary Matt Hancock has got it as well.

Which now calls into question whether we might have the whole cabinet testing positive, for failing - with much irony - to enact their own "social distancing" and "work from home" policies fast enough and that they should have switched to video conferencing immediately.

The politicians are generally not comprehending the "lag" factor and the exponential curve well enough. Today's numbers are telling you what happened a week to two weeks ago.

We all should have been planning and preparing - and ramping up for the response - when China told us that it had a pandemic-level problem on its hands. So that the instant we started getting cases in this country, you've got everything in place to start the lockdown straight away. Two months to start stockpiling tests and buying in ventilators, to prepare that "overflow" hospital ahead of time, etc.

They've all been inventing policy on-the-fly here, basically, and that's not good enough for this enemy, whose nature means that we're always about a week to two weeks behind with our statistics.

China fired the starting gun in January. That's when the race should have started.

[merman]

Johnson quote :

Here's the thing about that quote.
Boris was at Kettering Hospital the day before.
Kettering was not treating any victims of coronavirus at that time.

It's also outside the 14-19 day incubation time, so even if he did shake hands there - he didn't catch it there.


I don't feel sorry for Boris. He won't have to rely on an NHS hospital, or survive on £94 a week.

I certainly don't feel this so-called admiration for how he has handled things. The Chancellor had been doing better, but has dropped the ball on self-employed people.

Matt Hancock gets no pity either, flogging off health contracts to his rich mates.

But big Tory donors Dyson and JCB get to get rich off a fat contract for new ventilators, even though it will take time to switch their plants to manufacturing them when there are other firms that could have scaled up quicker. You know, buy British to support our manufacturers - unlike Dyson who moved his production overseas despite believing it the glorious Brexit opportunities...

[Harlequin]

Now the Health Secretary Matt Hancock has got it as well.

Which now calls into question whether we might have the whole cabinet testing positive, for failing - with much irony - to enact their own "social distancing" and "work from home" policies fast enough and that they should have switched to video conferencing immediately.

The academic whose modelling has done more than anything to influence the government’s decision to lock down the country, Prof Neil Ferguson from Imperial, is already ill.

He was seen by video link earlier this week giving evidence to the science and technology select committee of MPs and had clearly not fully recovered.

When he fell ill last week, he said on Twitter that “there is a lot of Covid-19 in Westminster”.

He expanded on this in a phone interview on Radio 4, saying: “I’ve been in so many meetings in the last few weeks, and a number of my colleagues from other universities who have been advising the government in those meetings have also developed symptoms.”