Trump

[PumaG]

Really?

The problem here for Trump is people are discussing his bullshit.

Hardly a problem when his support as grown the more the liberals have attacked him and tried to claim 'his bullshit' isnt representative of Americans,
or written off as a redneck disease

How else should the discussion about forcing the military to torture or building an infeasible wall go?

Without the hypocrisy.

Trump wouldn't be the first or the last or 'force' torture
Obama and Clinton voted for the Mexican wall...
If Obama could have another term noone could guarantee he wouldn't do the things Trump is being killed for. Compared to the drone strikes and arming Al Qaida's allies, water boarding captured armed combatants should hardly register.
can I have a guarantee the US military won't torture under Sanders out Clinton? have they agreed to abandon drone strikes and shipments of arms to rebels?
If so, then theres a great future ahead.

There's 2 people realistically in the running to be the GOP presidential candidate and they deserve directed and special attention.

yes they do, but Trump has predominantly been the target from the off, from a stage when he wasn't given a chance and treated as a clown, the more negative attention he got the more support he drew, making those mutterings of him saying what masses are thinking sound true.

The Black brain specialist had some whacko ideas but no-one went near him. I wonder why.

[gumboot]

So basically your problem is that "liberals" won't admit that Obama's a cunt, and so when anybody criticises Trump they're automatically hypocritical liberals?

[PumaG]

So basically your problem is that "liberals" won't admit that Obama's a cunt, and so when anybody criticises Trump they're automatically hypocritical liberals?

The left have always let their electorate down, it's what they do. Yet one of the criticisms of Trump, is that he won't be able to implement his ideas, thus letting down his support, at the same time criticising those ideas. It's like mental illness.

We know the Mexican wall can't be rebuilt from Obama and Clinton's specification to Trumps, so why worry? Also, if illegal Mexicans, the smuggling and people trafficking 'is good for the economy', why did Clinton and Obama vote for their wall? Mental.

"The left makes the same mistakes over and over again, the right only makes the mistake once" - Alexi Sayle 'Thatcher Stole My Trousers' interview with Stewart Lee.

[Dio]

The left have always let their electorate down, it's what they do.

Generally by not being very left.

[gumboot]

So basically your problem is that "liberals" won't admit that Obama's a cunt, and so when anybody criticises Trump they're automatically hypocritical liberals?

The left have always let their electorate down, it's what they do.

The left, right, and centre all have that in common.

Yet one of the criticisms of Trump, is that he won't be able to implement his ideas, thus letting down his support, at the same time criticising those ideas. It's like mental illness.

I thought his inability to implement his ideas was his one redeeming feature, specifically because his ideas are so awful.

He comes making promises he can't keep, far more transparently than any other candidate, and at the same time those promises are absolutely terrible in their own right. Who the fuck votes for that?

[tufty]

Who the fuck votes for that?

I know sir! I know!

The sort of people who consider "liberal" to be a slur.

[pogo]

The left have always let their electorate down, it's what they do. Yet one of the criticisms of Trump, is that he won't be able to implement his ideas, thus letting down his support, at the same time criticising those ideas. It's like mental illness.

We know the Mexican wall can't be rebuilt from Obama and Clinton's specification to Trumps, so why worry? Also, if illegal Mexicans, the smuggling and people trafficking 'is good for the economy', why did Clinton and Obama vote for their wall? Mental.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

Note the date, and who was in office.

But it’s a distraction. The wall, the ever increasing militarisation of the border, have done little to stem the flow of migrants. And of course it has no direct impact on those already there. Indirectly it makes them less likely to leave the US, if it would be more hassle for them to return.

It’s false to try and find equivalence between the Democrats and Republicans, in e.g. the plausibility of their policies. Clinton and Sanders both have broadly correct approaches. The difference is Clinton is more pragmatic, Sanders more idealistic.

Republicans are have no coherent policies. Their platforms consist mostly of things to fire up the base such as abortion, and unfunded tax cuts for the rich. Krugman got it spot on a couple of weeks ago:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/0 ... reformers/

After all, what is the modern GOP? A simple model that accounts for just about everything you see is that it’s an engine designed to harness white resentment on behalf of higher incomes for the donor class.

What we call the Republican establishment is really a network of organizations that represent donor interests because they’re supported by donor money.

Trump problem is he went too far: not only broadly condemning immigration, abortion, but coming up with policies to combat them such as deporting all illegal immigrants, punishing women who have abortions. In doing so he highlighted why Republicans never usually go into detail about how they will tackle these problems as any such detail is deeply unpopular, impractical or both.

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So basically your problem is that "liberals" won't admit that Obama's a cunt, and so when anybody criticises Trump they're automatically hypocritical liberals?

The left have always let their electorate down, it's what they do. Yet one of the criticisms of Trump, is that he won't be able to implement his ideas, thus letting down his support, at the same time criticising those ideas. It's like mental illness.

Nah, it's education. All sides of the political spectrum are pointing out his idiocy.

The claim that it's LIBERALS SHUTTING DOWN DISCUSSION when it's actually a politically homogeneous group DISCUSSING what he's saying is like mental illness.

You have some weird thing where you equate objective criticism about Trump as a declaration of dedication to leftish principles and then start attacking them.

I don't give a monkey's about what Obama or Bush have or haven't done because I know that there's zero chance either are going to be President.

It's not hypocritical pointing out some of the stupidest things ever said to biggest audience because others not in the same race may have fallen short of your standards.

This. Is. A. Thread. Called. Trump. About. Trump.

If you want to carry on your confused THANKS OBAMA! stylings why not start up a thread about it.

Instead of trying to close down discussion eh?

[gumboot]

Maybe that's not the discussion being shut down.

Maybe a vote for Trump is a loud declaration that "I hate Muslims so much that I'm willing to vote for this fuckwit!".

Maybe the discussion that's being shut down is the discussion about how evil and stupid Muslims are. Maybe that's the thread that PumaG wants to start.

[PFVA]

Nowadays i don't pay so much attention to the rethorics of the US elections maybe because i have heard too much of it.

But a couple of things jumped to my attention.

In the case of the famous wall along the Mexican board was the fact that Trump stated he would make Mexico to pay for the cost of a Great Wall of North America. Now that's a bit unusual. He even said that if they wouldn't pay he would prevent Mexicans in the US from sending money to Mexico. Funny enough everybody else who crosses thru that boarder, El Salvadoreans, Dominicans, Costa Riqueños, etc, etc, apparently would be exempt from paying for it unless Mexico adopts tha same system on their Southern boarder. It reminds me of Europe and its newly created walls.

The other one was his statement that he would prevent all Muslims to enter the US. Not just terrorists but all Muslims. That's a serious thing for a future president to say. The US has several allies who are Muslims, Singapore, Indonesia, Marrocco come to mind as an example. It can be interpreted as a basically racist statement not much different in essence than the early 20th Century opinions of Nazists about Jews.

He doesn't worry me so much because i don't believe he would do such things after being elected. He just says what some people who want to hear, cheap racist comments. The problem is when he does so he stimulates others to propagate racist ideals not just in his country but elsewhere in the World.

As for Presidents not being able to do what they are planning to, that's true of all of them, to the right or to the left. Obama wan't able to do everything he had in mind. Obama care wasn't exactly what he and others had planned but what he was able to achieve thru negotiation and under the circonstances.

In terms of Trump it's true i would like to now more about his economic policies and other domestic and foreign issues and the Republican campaign has been pushed to a level of tabloid journalism worse than the others before. But i think the Republicans themselves are a lot to be blamed for that. For a long time they have been moving towards that way in their campaign speeches.

[PumaG]

Back at the circus...

Trump campaign manager exonerated over 'battery' of female reporter after prosecutors find she started altercation and lied about touching Trump first



what they said:

"When you have a campaign that is built on personal insults, on attacks and now physical violence, that has no place in a political campaign,” Ted Cruz told reporters in Wisconsin.

chief strategist for John Kasich, said on Twitter, “Campaigns reflect the values of the candidate. I know ours does. If this bully worked for John Kasich, he would have been fired long ago.”

"violence encouraged by the candidate himself,” David Brock said

"the kind of thuggery that happens at many of these Trump events," Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver


So it seems this mental illness also omits the basic right to be innocent until proven guilty.

[PumaG]

Maybe that's not the discussion being shut down.

Maybe a vote for Trump is a loud declaration that "I hate Muslims so much that I'm willing to vote for this fuckwit!".

Maybe the discussion that's being shut down is the discussion about how evil and stupid Muslims are. Maybe that's the thread that PumaG wants to start.

Your initial tone in starting this thread was to point and laugh at the Trump Parodies. Sorry I decided not to go along with that. Not really sure how anyone gets off on posting corn of the cob hairstyles myself either. If you weren't interested in the whole circus, you should have screamed 'racist ugly fuckwit' a bit louder in the first place or theres also those 'STOP Trump' placards you could hold up. A nice big one of those to kick off the thread, I'd have got it.

[PumaG]

So basically your problem is that "liberals" won't admit that Obama's a cunt, and so when anybody criticises Trump they're automatically hypocritical liberals?

The left have always let their electorate down, it's what they do.

The left, right, and centre all have that in common.

Yet one of the criticisms of Trump, is that he won't be able to implement his ideas, thus letting down his support, at the same time criticising those ideas. It's like mental illness.

I thought his inability to implement his ideas was his one redeeming feature, specifically because his ideas are so awful.

He comes making promises he can't keep, far more transparently than any other candidate, and at the same time those promises are absolutely terrible in their own right. Who the fuck votes for that?

His main crime is that he talks. He isn't unique at all. it's totally plausible that there are powerful people who think the same way, maybe worse. Show me a 100% honest politician with 100% doable ideas or another politician who does everything he promised.

The proper nasty racists in positions of power will be getting away with it quietly, such as those Police who are sneakily putting bullets into Black people then making up excuses.

How do his awful terrible ideas stack up against the reasons for initially going to war with Iraq? or the current bunch seemingly not knowing what he fuck is going on or what the hell they started with their obsessive meddling.

[PumaG]

Totally Wacko!



'Among the signatories is Christina Hoff Sommers, who before Trump ran for office mocked women who played the damsel in distress. Sommers’ salary is in part paid for by the same donors opposing Trump. Dana Loesch, another signatory, is facing $44,000 in tax liens and has sold out to the highest bidder to raise cash.

This is a gender-identity based attack on Trump. The signatories use their status as women to push this anti-Trump agenda.'

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That's weird!

That headline you quote from The Long Room "Trump campaign manager exonerated over 'battery' of female reporter after prosecutors find she started altercation and lied about touching Trump first" is just a link and quote to a Daily Mail piece that doesn't say any such thing.

It doesn't use exonerate at all. In fact it says:

State Attorney Dave Aronberg and his chief assistant Adrienne Ellis considered Spellman's statement along with those of other witnesses, ultimately finding that there was conflicting evidence that would kill their chances of convicting Lewandowski.

After the police passed it as worthy of consideration of prosecution and passed it upstream. That doesn't mean he isn't innocent but that's certainly an unwarranted headline. From the DA himself

I've made the decision that this office will not be filing charges against Corey Lewandowski for battery, we agree that probable cause exists but as prosecutors, our standard is higher than probable cause and we must prove each case beyond reasonable doubt.

Must be some kind of admin error I guess! Shame the world is full of unthinking mugs swallowing this kind of 'mistake' whole