Politics Thread!

[Rhythm]

I'm just completely floored by how poorly Labour are doing right now. It's astonishing. It's one thing to cancel amend a bunch of policy hopes. It's frustrating, but I get it. They should have taken the lesson of the Ed stone and negated making big promises if they always intended to flex quite so readily.

But this thing they're doing right now, where they speak up against shitty laws the Tories are pushing through, only to abstain from voting against and then to come out with statements suggesting they won't rescind the legislation if they come to power... how is that a vote-winner for anybody?

At best the next general election will be run based on which colour tie you prefer seeing at the dispatch box.

I've got to say that I'm fucking loving the hissy-fit Dorries is having. If I'm reading it right, her peerage was rejected in February/March. The only person who's allowed to talk to her about it is the person who raised the nom in the first place. Which means it's all pointing to Boris having known all along but having been scared/unwilling to tell her the truth. But she's such a stan that she absolutely can't see this, instead insisting that the "elites" are barring her. "Woah is me, a poor Liverpudlian girl destined for greatness but blocked by the elite".

[Dio]

Did he.. I mean everybody is still in favour of brexit still believes labour were antisemtic and they're just loving having their liberties taken away and the boats sunk.. or rather is it, obvious the the people are vulnerable to groupthink steered by those in power - inc PLP and Starmer who fucked us over and Libdems too in 2019'

Even if you think it's all a horrible conspiracy against Corbyn - which, in my opinion, it wasn't, since he had no leadership or organisational skills of note and therefore failed 50% of the basic job description of 'party leader' - he first lost significantly against May (who was in a very weak position) and then got utterly battered by Boris.

It's all very well to whine about how unfair it was but that's life and politics - if the playing field is tilted away from you all you can do is win anyway or lose.

[Dio]

I've got to say that I'm fucking loving the hissy-fit Dorries is having. If I'm reading it right, her peerage was rejected in February/March. The only person who's allowed to talk to her about it is the person who raised the nom in the first place. Which means it's all pointing to Boris having known all along but having been scared/unwilling to tell her the truth. But she's such a stan that she absolutely can't see this, instead insisting that the "elites" are barring her. "Woah is me, a poor Liverpudlian girl destined for greatness but blocked by the elite".

"Did Boris promise you a peerage?"
"Yes."
"Did you get one?"
"No."
"Are you noticing a pattern yet?"

[Rhythm]

LOL, she's now announced that she won't hand in her resignation until they fulfill a Subject Access Request. She's demanding to know why they blocked her. She's also declared she wants all her emails, Whatsapps etc, all unredacted. I'm not sure a gov't minister asking for copies of their receipts before they leave is the way things are normally done.

[RiK]

The full report, it's glorious..

https://committees.parliament.uk/public ... 9/default/

[Rhythm]

Yeah, it's astonishing. He's contesting it, of course he is. But of course he can't do it on facts and so is instead pushing the narrative of "one of the committee was also at parties" as if that was the charge.

Shame Sunak is so devoid of balls. Knowing this report was coming should have prompted him to refuse Johnson's retirement so that this fully hit the muppet. And, similarly, the issues raised about "contempt for the process/house" should be levelled at the MPs who are still coming out in support of Johnson. If he ditched the dissenters he'd go a *long* way toward starting to restore some faith in the process and he'd still have a majority to work with.

Dorries is in full battered wife status, insisting the guy that's fucked her over for so long is still "a nice bloke really"

Weirdly, a decent end is in sight here. Sunak won't actually head us toward it because he's so timid, but it's tantalisingly close.

[KlaxonCow]

refuse Johnson's retirement

Not actually legally possible.

The only way MPs can lose their job is by election, resignation or death.

The underlying point being that, as this is a democracy, MPs are employed by their constituents. They are hired and fired by elections.

Sunak can't refuse the retirement of any MP. He does not possess that power. This remains a matter between the MP and their constituents at a local election.

Now, political parties can pull all the levers available to them: to remove the party whip, so that the MP is no longer officially in that political party. To remove the party's support. To deny them the jobs and perks that are within the party's ability to offer.

But, you know, this is a democracy. MPs are hired and fired by their constituents. If they retire - surrender the job - then no-one has the right or power to deny that. Indeed, not even the MP's constituents can force them to not retire.

You see this where "disgraced" MPs move to the backbenches. They're still MPs, because only an election can change that. But they can be "persona non grata" - relegated to the back seats and ignored - by the respective political parties shunning them.

But the parties do not hire them, and therefore cannot fire them.

[Rhythm]

Nah, it could have absolutely been refused. Ministers don’t “resign”, per se. They apply to one of the placeholder positions.

No application has been refused for 160 years but the precedent is there. And, being the first PM to be found guilty of the shit he’s pulled, it would absolutely have made sense to hold him in position so he could get much more easily fucked. Sure it would have meant a week of turmoil but look at what we got anyway.

[Dio]

Yes - MPs are not permitted to resign from Parliament.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignati ... ed_Kingdom

[F-ZeroOne]

So guess who is the new columnist at the Daily Hate?

[tufty]

Another place to be sacked from when he inevitably publishes lies and gets caught out.

[KlaxonCow]

Another place to be sacked from when he inevitably publishes lies and gets caught out.

It's the Daily Fail.

No-one will notice the difference.

[F-ZeroOne]

He may already be in trouble for failing to give proper notice of his new job, which might be a record even for Johnson.

[merman]

A video from one of the parties has now emerged. Photos have previously shown Boris attended.
24 people in the basement of Conservative HQ.

Two of them named on Boris’s Resignation Honours.

Oh, and Parliamentary special adviser Charlotte Owen who was named the youngest ever life peer by Boris? Turns out she lied about how long she worked at Downing Street, wasn’t just working for Boris and was covering someone else’s maternity leave.

[merman]

Then you’ve got Tory MP David Warburton, who Rishi eventually suspended months after allegations of sexual assault were made against him.

He has admitted taking cocaine and getting drunk on strong Japanese whisky - but apparently all these allegations are the “establishment” ganging up on him, taking the Party whip away and (much like Boris) “forcing” him to resign and leading to another by-election.

If you or I wrote down that we had taken cocaine, we would be investigated by the police.
Warburton GOT HIS ADMISSION PRINTED IN A NATIONAL NEWSPAPER.