Politics Thread!

[Orava]

Bullfighting is an interesting relic of the stuff the Romans used to put on in, Christians vs. lions, convicts vs. each other, etc, etc.

[PFVA]

Or if you really want to feel "so manly fight" .. well then become an MMA fighter and go in the cage and show me what you are made of, that's a 1:1 fair game with both willing partecipants.

But I'd bet any toreador in his fancy dress would piss himself in his pants the moment he'd with without his sword having to fight with "Jack stonefists 'The Hammer' 45 knockouts in a row "

Now that "manliness"

Without the sword? These ones don't even get down fm the top of the horse. They bullfight on horseback dressed in 1800s clothing, have the title of 'knights', and stuck 'bandarilhas ' in the bull.

Orava, I saw something recently that it originated in Turkey long, long ago but I'm not sure if it is true.

[gilesgoat]

Or if you really want to feel "so manly fight" .. well then become an MMA fighter and go in the cage and show me what you are made of, that's a 1:1 fair game with both willing partecipants.

But I'd bet any toreador in his fancy dress would piss himself in his pants the moment he'd with without his sword having to fight with "Jack stonefists 'The Hammer' 45 knockouts in a row "

Now that "manliness"

Without the sword? These ones don't even get down fm the top of the horse. They bullfight on horseback dressed in 1800s clothing, have the title of 'knights', and stuck 'bandarilhas ' in the bull.

Orava, I saw something recently that it originated in Turkey long, long ago but I'm not sure if it is true.

I am not a toreador ..

But there are photos of me skritching and petting bulls, even a huge one

"Love & Peace" wins

[KlaxonCow]

Suella Braverman in a speech: "multiculturalism has failed".

Her parents are Indian immigrants, who came over in the 1960s, and she's the Home Secretary.

The fact that she's even standing there, giving the speech, from one of the highest offices of state is a triumph of the multiculturalism she condemns.

But it also helps prove my point about successive Tory Home Secretaries, like Priti Patel and Suella Braverman, that they're selecting "culturally white" Uncle Toms to the role, to give them licence to be racist and push racist policies with impunity.

Because, yeah, by the rules of "woke", I'm not supposed to point out her skin colour or ethnic origin, and am supposed to pretend I don't see what all of us are seeing. I risk being called the "racist", even though she's the one sending people to Rwanda.

All I'm suggesting is that the Tory racists allow and even push forward a succession of women - they've all been women and this is beyond statistical coincidence - and now "ethnic" women, when they want to push racist policy - as a cynical shield from criticism.

She fails to spot the irony, as she's white in her own head and, therefore, doesn't see herself as a result of multiculturalism.

To be clear, per MLk jr., I judge her not by her skin colour, but by the vile content of the character she's cosplaying to make the white folk accept her.

p.s. and to stave off "racist" criticism, I don't say this for Rishi Sunak, as I don't sense that being there at all. The point is exactly that it's not a race thing and shouldn't be read that way. But non-white people are able to have a "content of their character" that's vile.

[Mayhem]

It's not just her, or various Tory ministers. You'd be amazed at how many people who have come to this country in the past, often the 1950s-70s, who want to pull up the drawbridge and restrict access to this country for others of similar ethnic origin to their own. It's like "I'm here, I'm okay, but push off, there's not enough room now" or similar.

[Rhythm]

It's not just her, or various Tory ministers. You'd be amazed at how many people who have come to this country in the past, often the 1950s-70s, who want to pull up the drawbridge and restrict access to this country for others of similar ethnic origin to their own. It's like "I'm here, I'm okay, but push off, there's not enough room now" or similar.

Interesting angle on this latest attack is that she's spreading her vitriol globally by announcing this in DC and declaring this a UN problem. "The UN Refugee Convention is wrong" is a hell of an opening line and of course right-wingers worldwide are lapping it the fuck up.

[snaff]

It's not just her, or various Tory ministers. You'd be amazed at how many people who have come to this country in the past, often the 1950s-70s, who want to pull up the drawbridge and restrict access to this country for others of similar ethnic origin to their own. It's like "I'm here, I'm okay, but push off, there's not enough room now" or similar.

Nationwide building society has 40 billion in bad IO slumlord debt. They'll be bankrupt soon and the house price crash will be awesome.

[PFVA]

The orange crisis:
we no longer have national (Algarve) oranges at the markets and supermarkets. They have to be imported fm South Africa and Brasil. Well, if they were not growing all the avocados, kiwis, and I don't know what more we would still have oranges. Actually in my area we still do, it is just to ask nicely to the neighbours that have orange trees in their backyards.

[KlaxonCow]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -on-sunday

Braverman’s claim about ethnicity of grooming gangs was false, regulator rules

Mail on Sunday forced to issue correction over opinion piece by home secretary claiming ‘almost all’ child grooming gangs were British-Pakistani

Suella Braverman falsely claimed child grooming gangs in the UK were “almost all British-Pakistani”, according to a ruling by the press regulator, Ipso.

The home secretary made the claim in a Mail on Sunday article published in April, where she singled out British-Pakistani men as being involved in child sexual abuse due to “cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values” that “have been left mostly unchallenged both within their communities and by wider society”.

Ipso has forced the Mail on Sunday to issue a correction to Braverman’s piece after concluding the statement was false. The regulator said Braverman’s decision to link “the identified ethnic group and a particular form of offending was significantly misleading” because the Home Office’s own research had concluded offenders were mainly from white backgrounds.
[...]
Although there have been several high-profile examples of British-Pakistanis involved in grooming gangs, research published by the Home Office in 2020 showed that offenders are “most commonly white” and come from diverse backgrounds.

Braverman's rhetoric is both dangerous and false.

And, arguably, knowingly so, as it is the Home Office's own research that concluded otherwise. So, you know, either she is incompetent - didn't check the facts with her own department before speaking - or malicious - she did know, but said it anyway to knowingly mislead.

And if it was knowingly misleading on her part, then we'd have to question why. Though she is Buddhist, not Hindu, we should still note that this is someone of Indian descent creating a false "bogeyman" narrative of those of Pakistani origin (and we all know how India and Pakistan feel about each other, yes?). Indeed, her narrative very much hinges on the idea that Muslim Pakistanis have "cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values”.

It's dog whistled than stated outright, but this is basically Islamophobia.

Indeed, think about it, if her case is that Britiish Pakistanis inherently have "cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values” then what's her proposed or implied solution to this? British people, who are in Britain, declared by the Home Secretary to be fundamentally "completely incompatible" with the country they live in.

Again, it's dog whistled, not stated outright. But if the Home Secretary is stating that a particular ethnic group is "completely incompatible" with the country they live in, the implied solution here is that they need to be extracted for the country. Kick them all out, "send 'em back where they came from" and do not permit any "completely incompatible" Pakistanis to enter the UK at all.

Otherwise, what's she saying? That we just academically note, with fascination, that a whole ethnic group she's identifying are "completely incompatible" and then do nothing about it?

She's a racist. She's not apportioning blame to the individuals concerned, but is blaming (Muslim) Pakistani "cultural attitudes" directly. She's apportioning it to race (with religion underlying that).

And she's lying in pursuit of that. Whether ignorant or malicious, she's spreading falsehoods - that her own department has the statistics and issued the report to dispel. So what's the excuse? She runs that department. Ignorance, therefore, has to be read as at least incompetence (if not actual malice), as she's in full possession - like nobody else in the country is - of every possible resource to confirm or deny her suspicions before she spoke. And yet she spoke a lie.

The Mail on Sunday's defence is squirming, but they do have a point. This is the Home Secretary, so they argued that they had every right to trust that she's not lying. This is weaseling, but a valid defence, as Braverman should not be defying her own department's conclusions to publish lies... and then blame this thing which isn't even true on the "complete cultural incompatibilty" of a whole ethnic religious group in its totality, with the country they live in - that many of them were born in. Which, you know, would be a definition of racism.

[zip accident]

Muslims would want to execute me for being an atheist. They would also want to execute me for being gay.

I am therefore Islamophobic, and I think everyone should be (if you are muslim and you convert away, that is another death sentence, so muslims who think about religion ought to be against islam too).

Islam is a religion, not a culture, and by no means a race.

There may be racists or culturalists who are against islam as a way of being against a particular race or culture, but that does not make Islam right or good.

[Rhythm]

Well in addition to Pakistanis being "anti-British" it seems that people who care about injuries and deaths on the road fall into the same camp.

I get it, it's frustrating when forced to do 20mph. But to claim that support for lower speed limits (and safer roads) is somehow "anti" Britain is so fucking misguided. Of course he's blending this in with the Labour* policy of extending the London ULEZ, suggesting that controlling motor traffic in any way is somehow "against" the rest of the country.

(* because as we all know, Boris Johnson, the man who planned out this ULEZ extension, is a huge Labour representative)

[Dio]

Muslims would want to execute me for being an atheist. They would also want to execute me for being gay.

Some Muslims would. And some Christians would too (e.g. some African countries). Generalisations of this kind are not helpful.

But, yes, you are demonstrating Islamophobia. That doesn't make Islamophobia right, I'm afraid. It's still just another blinding prejudice.

[Harlequin]

Muslims would want to execute me for being an atheist. They would also want to execute me for being gay.

Does that include all the Muslims who are gay?

[Deckard]

Whenever I hear the term British why do I always hear a Britain from the 18th century….

[Orava]

in my college time room shared with a Pakistani christian being persecuted by the state. Religion is in general a bad thing. Although it comes with some values. I am a lutheran non believer this comes with work ethic and general being nice.