Coronavirus Pandemic

[Deckard]

Aye - I don’t like him but don’t wish any Ill upon him.

[gilesgoat]

Aye - I don’t like him but don’t wish any Ill upon him.

Same and I DO NOT wish him anything bad but .. isn't is "super ironic" that he was the one that came out with that "herd immunity" thing ? .. ..

I mean life can be really ironic is it ? Fact is "virus doesn't know who or what it's going on" ..

[VNVObit]

Aye - I don’t like him but don’t wish any Ill upon him.

Same and I DO NOT wish him anything bad but .. isn't is "super ironic" that he was the one that came out with that "herd immunity" thing ? .. ..

I mean life can be really ironic is it ? Fact is "virus doesn't know who or what it's going on" ..

Viruses are equal ops - they don't discriminate who they infect - though you'd think that was something new the way they talk about it on the 5pm press briefings

likewise not pleased Johnson is the pm but don't wish him any ill

[Little stoned kiwi]

He's not likely to die though. The herd immunity angle was bolstered by covid-19 killing the least productive members of society.

Wait, what does he actually do again?

[KlaxonCow]

He's not likely to die though.

If they have to put him on a ventilator - and he moves into the "severe / critical" category - then his odds of survival are very drastically reduced, I'm afraid.

Seriously. With this virus, the odds are low of an individual getting it so badly that they end up in ICU on a ventilator in the first place, but if you do reach that stage then things are not remotely good. Not least because, even if you do survive, then you could still have permanent crippling breathing issues for the rest of your life thereafter. This thing causes fatalities because it can trigger an immune system over-reaction that ravages the lungs - it has, in some cases, literally punched holes through people's lungs.

The reports are that he's not on a ventilator yet, but they're keeping him near one, on standby, just in case things do not improve. So we're not there yet, and there is still reason to keep hope for now.

I very much hope not, but we should prepared ourselves for the possibility. Genuinely.

[(o)(o)]

He's not likely to die though.

If they have to put him on a ventilator - and he moves into the "severe / critical" category - then his odds of survival are ..

Around 50%.

I don't personally know Johnson and I have no more emotional attachment to his outcome than any other person ICU that I don't know. I'm not going to join the pity party. However if he does succumb to covid-19 will Demonic Raab lead the government?

Raab is somebody who I regard as, potentially (never diagnose over the internet!), a true psychopath.

More of that later.. but here's some lovely things to remember :

1. Wanted to crash out of the EU on 31st October
2. Doesn't rule out working with Farage.
3. Wants more cuts and to slash taxes.
4. As Brexit secretary didn't understand Dovers relevance to trade.
5. Didn't read the Good Friday agreement either.
6. Wants to cut corporation tax to 10% and turn UK into a Tax Haven.
7. "The typical user of a foodbank is not someone that's languishing in poverty, it's someone who has a cash flow problem."
8. Dismissed calls for NHS funding from a disability activist who told him "people are dying" under Tory austerity (which is fact) as a "childish wish list".
9. Wants to abolish minimum wage for under 21s, working time directive, scrap agency workers rights, end TUPE regulations,
10. "Feminists are now amongst the most obnoxious bigots" "From the cradle to the grave, men are getting a raw deal."
11. Member of a Facebook group that promotes selling all council housing and privatising the NHS.
12. Co-authored the borderline Satanic 'Brittannia Unchained' quote : "The British are among the worst idlers in the world."
13. Like co-author Patel, he has a historic bullying claims.
14. Made a completely unsubstantiated claim immigrants caused a 20% rise in house prices (incidentally; born to a Czech Jew father who fled to Britain before the Second World War.)



Far right? Far wrong!

[Little stoned kiwi]

I don't wish him any ill will. When he got sick a friend posted it on Facebook and said they hoped he'd die. I responded that was an easy way to react, given how he was contemplating letting the old, sick, and poor die. That's the sort of thing he thinks. I continued by expressing hope he lives, grows as a person, and becomes a better leader.
I don't care if he does die though. My best or worst wishes don't make a difference, neither does my indifference.
Most people have no control over this situation. Especially the old, sick, and poor he was willing to sacrifice for the GDP. Boris did have control over the situation though. He could be a direct victim of his selfish thoughts and actions. The irony is satirical.

[gilesgoat]

I don't wish him any ill will. When he got sick a friend posted it on Facebook and said they hoped he'd die. I responded that was an easy way to react, given how he was contemplating letting the old, sick, and poor die. That's the sort of thing he thinks. I continued by expressing hope he lives, grows as a person, and becomes a better leader.
I don't care if he does die though. My best or worst wishes don't make a difference, neither does my indifference.
Most people have no control over this situation. Especially the old, sick, and poor he was willing to sacrifice for the GDP. Boris did have control over the situation though. He could be a direct victim of his selfish thoughts and actions. The irony is satirical.

I have to put here this, that is considered "a little masterpiece of Italian comedy/satire/philosophy" it's a poetic composition by Antonio De Curtis ( Toto' ) called "A' livella", the "livella" is that tool with the air bubble used in construction to put things "at level".

It's a poem ( that he wrote ) in rhymes about a story of a really rich guy and a really poor guy that accidentally end up in having their two tombs close to each other, at some point the ( dead ) spirit of the rich guy starts to complain a lot about "how the heck is possible that a person of his importance and value is buried close to such an insignificant peasant ?"

At first the peasant tries to say that "he's sorry but he did not to do that and if he'd be alive he'd respect the rich guy and he'd move away but he can't do it because he's dead", the rich guy gets even more upset and seems not the understand the situation and insists he should move away.

At that point the poor guy can't stand it any more and tells the rich guy "that he's still not understanding the situation, that he has to accept the situation that they are both dead and they are not going anywhere !" .. he end up saying "These are silly arguments that silly people alive do, we are serious people now, we are dead ! Death is a livella, that you been rich, or king, or peasant, or else, it puts all at the same level" ( where you can't complain any more of anything ).



https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27A_livella

[KlaxonCow]

As a humanist, I'm philosophically obliged to see the human being first. Then everything else they might be is always secondary to that.

So, you know, he has a fiancee who's pregnant with his child. He has a father and a mother, brothers and sisters.

Granted, Boris himself seemed insufficiently bothered by these facts to have put himself - and the country - in a more dangerous place that it ever needed to be, but I'm not obliged to repeat his mistakes. I'm rather morally obliged not to be so fucking stupid myself, if I can help it.

[tufty]

I can't be nice about him. Sorry. He's self-selected his way into intensive care, but he's unlikely to actually learn anything from it. Best thing he can do is die and leave the ventilator that's reserved for him to someone who deserves it.

[Mr_Loon]

that "herd immunity" thing ? .. ..

Is there any other end game?

My understanding is that the only way to beat a highly contagious virus is via herd immunity, it's how that immunity is achieved that makes the difference....

[Cloudane]

Not keen on him but don't wish death on him either, if only for his family. But also "if a world leader with the closest attention from doctors, the shiniest ventilator on standby, the greatest precautions in hospital etc dies from it what chance have the rest of us got"

Bit more classy than the other place (don't know why I still go there) where the vast majority are rubbing their hands in glee at the thought of him dying. Sadly the left seem quite oblivious to how ugly they're appearing in recent years, or just don't care and think hate will solve things.

[gilesgoat]

that "herd immunity" thing ? .. ..

Is there any other end game?

My understanding is that the only way to beat a highly contagious virus is via herd immunity, it's how that immunity is achieved that makes the difference....

The point with Coronavirus, if I understand correctly, it that appears so far that "there's no such thing as herd immunity" and it appears so far from what is known that even if you get it once it won't make you immune not to get it a second time.

BUT it seems "there should be a certain % of people that seems to be less or not affected by it ?" ..

So I don't know .. "or you let 10% of the world die" assuming that figure is correct, or you try to slow down as much as you can in the hope that meanwhile we'll find some cure / vaccine that really works ?

I am puzzled as you asking myself "ok lockdown to slow down things" but :

1. is it really useful to STOP the virus ?

2. is it just slowing down the contagion rate ?

3. so we have to hope "everyone with the virus dies or possibly gets cured - by its own means while everyone else possibly gets no infected so eventually there will be none that can infect us ?"

4. will they find a real cure ( vaccine ) at some point ?

5. is this lockdown go on for "infinity" ?

Because fundamentally at the moment "you get the virus you can only hope you can beat it by your own" if I understand correctly, there's not "cure" at the moment.

[gilesgoat]

Not keen on him but don't wish death on him either, if only for his family. But also "if a world leader with the closest attention from doctors, the shiniest ventilator on standby, the greatest precautions in hospital etc dies from it what chance have the rest of us got"

Bit more classy than the other place (don't know why I still go there) where the vast majority are rubbing their hands in glee at the thought of him dying. Sadly the left seem quite oblivious to how ugly they're appearing in recent years, or just don't care and think hate will solve things.

Let's not forget that SOME PEOPLE VOTED HIM !! .. so "it's not just Boris", it's all the others that put him and Tories in general in that place of power ...

.. they are more dangerous than him ... and they'd vote another "Boris" again .. which is even more problematic

[Harlequin]

that "herd immunity" thing ? .. ..

Is there any other end game?
My understanding is that the only way to beat a highly contagious virus is via herd immunity, it's how that immunity is achieved that makes the difference....

I do not think any herd immunity was achieved for SARS-CoV-1 and yet that was eliminated in humans over sixteen years ago.