Cackimus Maximus, or whatever he calls himself now, teaching new-found self-proclaimed friend lesson in betrayal:
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I thought at first it was a new "Artist formerly called Prince" situation, but if it's just a one-off usename for one site, I'm not that excited about Musk's name selection. He still seems to be going by Elon Musk most of the time.F-ZeroOne wrote:Cackimus Maximus, or whatever he calls himself now, teaching new-found self-proclaimed friend lesson in betrayal:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70ep8lp4jjo
A white South African going racist isn't news really, though there have been people from there who weren't.
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In the meantime, Giorgia Meloni was visiting Trump at Mar del Lago:
(I wasn't aware she had taken Europe by storm but what do I know. I live in a small quiet corner of said continent)
(I wasn't aware she had taken Europe by storm but what do I know. I live in a small quiet corner of said continent)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-AA1wZGLqTrump praises Meloni for having "taken Europe by storm" during visit
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I'm still of the belief that Musk is suffering a very public nervous breakdown, and wonder how close we are to the moment where it becomes undeniable - as he's found running around naked in Las Vegas, masturbating on homeless people, shouting that it's the only way to protect them from the "woke mind virus" because the lizard people want to take over, claiming he's the Messiah, or something like that.
If he wasn't the one of the richest men in the world, then someone would have staged an intervention on him by now, as no-one who's sound of mind does such an insane 180 on everything they used to believe in, and is just so horridly unstable in his opinions. His next tweet will probably be declaring that Trump is the Anti-Christ or something.
In that sense, he's not "betraying" Farage, per se. There's just no logical consistency to his opinions anymore, as I don't believe he's sound of mind anymore.
If he wasn't the one of the richest men in the world, then someone would have staged an intervention on him by now, as no-one who's sound of mind does such an insane 180 on everything they used to believe in, and is just so horridly unstable in his opinions. His next tweet will probably be declaring that Trump is the Anti-Christ or something.
In that sense, he's not "betraying" Farage, per se. There's just no logical consistency to his opinions anymore, as I don't believe he's sound of mind anymore.
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I don't think it's that at all. I really don't think there's any sign he's mad. He's changed his mind, he's human, that's allowed. He was probably conforming with other people's expectations before, as we tend to do, and now he's the richest person in the world (which is a new situation for him, he's been that for less than five years I think?), so he is more prone to saying what he thinks, and bother the consequences.KlaxonCow wrote:I'm still of the belief that Musk is suffering a very public nervous breakdown, and wonder how close we are to the moment where it becomes undeniable - as he's found running around naked in Las Vegas, masturbating on homeless people, shouting that it's the only way to protect them from the "woke mind virus" because the lizard people want to take over, claiming he's the Messiah, or something like that.
If he wasn't the one of the richest men in the world, then someone would have staged an intervention on him by now, as no-one who's sound of mind does such an insane 180 on everything they used to believe in, and is just so horridly unstable in his opinions. His next tweet will probably be declaring that Trump is the Anti-Christ or something.
In that sense, he's not "betraying" Farage, per se. There's just no logical consistency to his opinions anymore, as I don't believe he's sound of mind anymore.
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Seriously speaking now.
I don't think Elon Musk is nuts at all.
I think there is a global movement to bring hard right wing parties to power everywhere in the world or at least in Europe and the Americas. It din't start now. It has been around for quite a while and it has been growing. They have been able to use the social media in their favour. They are not identical to nazism not even to fascism but they have a lot of things in common. If you look in every country there is people coming out in support of them and they have been growing in popularity.
Musk is one of the people that believes that's the right way for the world to go.
I don't think Elon Musk is nuts at all.
I think there is a global movement to bring hard right wing parties to power everywhere in the world or at least in Europe and the Americas. It din't start now. It has been around for quite a while and it has been growing. They have been able to use the social media in their favour. They are not identical to nazism not even to fascism but they have a lot of things in common. If you look in every country there is people coming out in support of them and they have been growing in popularity.
Musk is one of the people that believes that's the right way for the world to go.
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I suspect that the difference between Farage and Musk is that Musk is a racist and Farage isn't.
There's been a lot of talk here about Garage's "dog whistles" to racists, and I suspect the racists thought they were hearing the same thing. I suspect that on race Enoch Powell and Gerald Nabarro were more extreme than Farage is.
I agree that the right is rising, it looks to me like a three way dispute, racists versus religious versus sensible.
There's been a lot of talk here about Garage's "dog whistles" to racists, and I suspect the racists thought they were hearing the same thing. I suspect that on race Enoch Powell and Gerald Nabarro were more extreme than Farage is.
I agree that the right is rising, it looks to me like a three way dispute, racists versus religious versus sensible.
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No, that's really not true at all.
Musk has suffered a trauma, which he details (from his point of view) in this rather bullying interview by Jordan Peterson:
It's an unresolved trauma, and you can hear him - with every inch of seriousness and passion - state that this is what caused him to vow to destroy "the woke mind virus".
And you can quite literally see - through Jordan Peterson's bullying and constantly-interrupting tone - how the right is using this trauma to mould and control him to their viewpoint. Peterson almost doesn't let him finish a single sentence in the entire interview, constantly re-framing the language and viewpoint to get Musk to buy in and agree with his narrative.
Like, it's happening real time in front of your eyes, right there. A man suffering trauma - who felt that he was tricked by "the far left" into killing his son (as he himself considers them to be "dead" by his own words in this interview) - who we can see, in real time, being herded and bullied by "the far right" to indoctrinate them into their cult and support them.
And the right, who are recruiting him, are quite deliberately not allowing that trauma to heal. They're stoking and exploiting it. But the human mind is not designed to remain perpetually held in a broken traumatic state. This is, quite genuinely, the route to a nervous breakdown.
Musk was not always thus. After all, though he believes he was "tricked" into signing up for gender affirming care for his son, he did sign up to it (and his trans daughter disputes this - he knew exactly what he was signing, but now regretting the consequences, he's framing it as "being tricked"). He was not opposed, in principle, to his son transitioning initially or he wouldn't have signed it. There are anti-Trump tweets on record from Musk, calling him utterly inappropriate for the position of President, when Trump went for election the first time.
He made his name with electric cars and solar panels. For SpaceX, to make humanity a multi-planetary species, to preserve life in the galaxy.
But, after this trauma, he's flipped 180. He's vowing to destroy "the woke mind virus" - which he believes infected and "killed" his son, no less - and the right has been stoking and exploiting that ever since.
This is not a man who was a far right extremist all along, who's now decided - being super-rich - that he can expose his real beliefs to the world.
This is a man who suffered a trauma - that's not been allowed to heal, as the right deliberately exploits it - who believes "the far left" effectively killed his son and has vowed revenge to destroy "the woke mind virus" by hook or by crook.
Musk has suffered trauma, that the right are using as a recruiting agent (and, therefore, deliberately are not letting it heal or resolve) and he very explicitly stated that this is why he made it his mission, to vow to "destroy the woke mind virus". Musk himself attributes it to that, and the timing is correct - he was apolitical and slightly left-leaning until this happened, then went full-on "far right" and started backing Trump and Tommy Robinson and anyone who vows, like him, to completely destroy the left.
Like, I do speak in "wild words". But I don't speak without underlying good reason.
Musk has suffered a trauma, which he details (from his point of view) in this rather bullying interview by Jordan Peterson:
It's an unresolved trauma, and you can hear him - with every inch of seriousness and passion - state that this is what caused him to vow to destroy "the woke mind virus".
And you can quite literally see - through Jordan Peterson's bullying and constantly-interrupting tone - how the right is using this trauma to mould and control him to their viewpoint. Peterson almost doesn't let him finish a single sentence in the entire interview, constantly re-framing the language and viewpoint to get Musk to buy in and agree with his narrative.
Like, it's happening real time in front of your eyes, right there. A man suffering trauma - who felt that he was tricked by "the far left" into killing his son (as he himself considers them to be "dead" by his own words in this interview) - who we can see, in real time, being herded and bullied by "the far right" to indoctrinate them into their cult and support them.
And the right, who are recruiting him, are quite deliberately not allowing that trauma to heal. They're stoking and exploiting it. But the human mind is not designed to remain perpetually held in a broken traumatic state. This is, quite genuinely, the route to a nervous breakdown.
Musk was not always thus. After all, though he believes he was "tricked" into signing up for gender affirming care for his son, he did sign up to it (and his trans daughter disputes this - he knew exactly what he was signing, but now regretting the consequences, he's framing it as "being tricked"). He was not opposed, in principle, to his son transitioning initially or he wouldn't have signed it. There are anti-Trump tweets on record from Musk, calling him utterly inappropriate for the position of President, when Trump went for election the first time.
He made his name with electric cars and solar panels. For SpaceX, to make humanity a multi-planetary species, to preserve life in the galaxy.
But, after this trauma, he's flipped 180. He's vowing to destroy "the woke mind virus" - which he believes infected and "killed" his son, no less - and the right has been stoking and exploiting that ever since.
This is not a man who was a far right extremist all along, who's now decided - being super-rich - that he can expose his real beliefs to the world.
This is a man who suffered a trauma - that's not been allowed to heal, as the right deliberately exploits it - who believes "the far left" effectively killed his son and has vowed revenge to destroy "the woke mind virus" by hook or by crook.
Musk has suffered trauma, that the right are using as a recruiting agent (and, therefore, deliberately are not letting it heal or resolve) and he very explicitly stated that this is why he made it his mission, to vow to "destroy the woke mind virus". Musk himself attributes it to that, and the timing is correct - he was apolitical and slightly left-leaning until this happened, then went full-on "far right" and started backing Trump and Tommy Robinson and anyone who vows, like him, to completely destroy the left.
Like, I do speak in "wild words". But I don't speak without underlying good reason.
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That was interesting. particularly all the "um"s and "er"s, but he wasn't insane there. I think the one in control of that interview was clearly Musk, he was being interrupted but he was agreeing with the interruptions.KlaxonCow wrote:No, that's really not true at all.
Musk has suffered a trauma, which he details (from his point of view) in this rather bullying interview by Jordan Peterson:
Musk has suffered trauma, that the right are using as a recruiting agent (and, therefore, deliberately are not letting it heal or resolve) and he very explicitly stated that this is why he made it his mission, to vow to "destroy the woke mind virus". Musk himself attributes it to that, and the timing is correct - he was apolitical and slightly left-leaning until this happened, then went full-on "far right" and started backing Trump and Tommy Robinson and anyone who vows, like him, to completely destroy the left.
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Someone should perhaps remind him about the last time people with political views that he seems to be increasingly leaning towards tried that. It was called "Operation Sealion". Theres still some Tiger Moths on hand...
Someone should perhaps remind him about the last time people with political views that he seems to be increasingly leaning towards tried that. It was called "Operation Sealion". Theres still some Tiger Moths on hand...
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So, Elon's proposing a military invasion of the UK to "liberate" it on X, shortly before he takes his new position in Trump's government, and all y'all are trying to tell me that there's no sign of any mental illness to be seen here?
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It's only peripherally political.
I've lived through this, it's a broken parent child relationship, he's said his child is dead to him, they obviously had a big row and neither is going to back down.
The one way to make Elon an instant Marxist would be to have the child become a fascist.
I still don't believe that Elon Musk is clinically mentally ill.
He may well be reacting emotionally to a relationship going bad, and he may not be in the best situation emotionally, but insanity is a wholly different ballgame, with known and recognised symptoms and syndromes and Elon's current behaviour doesn't IMO fit those.
I've lived through this, it's a broken parent child relationship, he's said his child is dead to him, they obviously had a big row and neither is going to back down.
The one way to make Elon an instant Marxist would be to have the child become a fascist.
I still don't believe that Elon Musk is clinically mentally ill.
He may well be reacting emotionally to a relationship going bad, and he may not be in the best situation emotionally, but insanity is a wholly different ballgame, with known and recognised symptoms and syndromes and Elon's current behaviour doesn't IMO fit those.
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For the record, I suggested a nervous breakdown, not padded cell insanity.
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Which particular mental illness/breakdown are you thinking of?KlaxonCow wrote:For the record, I suggested a nervous breakdown, not padded cell insanity.
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KlaxonCow wrote:So, Elon's proposing a military invasion of the UK to "liberate" it on X, shortly before he takes his new position in Trump's government, and all y'all are trying to tell me that there's no sign of any mental illness to be seen here?
It's not the first time I hear that.
I heard it a few times fm British people living in the USA in the late 1980s.
I guess that's why they had moved to the US.
It's not limited to the British either. There is a lot of Europeans living in the US that defend that the European economic system should be replaced by an American one.
The only difference is that those conversations used to occur in cafés or bars not in the social media maybe because there wasn't one, and not in newspapers either.
Note: A politician here fm the center right not long ago made a comment about the right wing people, particularly what I
call 'the noisy right' going around saying not just on social media but also on TV things that before used to be said only on bars and cafés after several drinks. It was a definition of how 'populism' works. Elon Musk seems to be following that trend.