Coronavirus Pandemic

[Harlequin]

Not to worry you guys over much, but there are viruses out there that actually are worse the second time around. The antibodies being present in your system makes it easier for the virus to gain a foothold, especially other strains or mutations.

I had various diseases twice as a child, including measles. It was the second bout of the latter, I am told, that almost killed me.

A colleague at work was all doom & gloom about whether this will spell the end of the EU.
With the significant economic impact, he reckons in the aftermath of all this, the existing tensions between the member states will be exacerbated to the point they rip each other apart. At its core, a problem he sees as lack of unity in fiscal policy across the bloc and so it can never work long term.
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You mean the EU that offered us hundreds of ventilators over a month ago - but Gove said accepting them would have "upset Rees-Mogg and the ERG too much"?
You mean the EU that is including Britain in its fiscal stimulus package?
You mean the EU that has already spent millions helping to repatriate Britons abroad?

I suspect that rowan's colleague was referring to the tensions between the remaining non-British EU member states. See PFVA's post in response and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... perts-warn (followed by https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... escue-plan).

[Harlequin]

Spoiler: show

"I'm going to change the sign so the pole is horizontal and the sign is mounted on the front like a plunger, so I can carry it around like a lance to gently push people back if they try to approach."

[Space Cowboy]

So the voice mail I was passed, turns out it's fake.

PLEASE BE AWARE there is currently a fake voice msg circulating re. the ambulance response to #coronavirus and predicted case nos. It is claimed this info is from
@PHE_uk
. This is all completely FAKE! Keep up to date with the facts from
@NHSEngland

@GOVUK

@PHE_uk


#coronavirus



How on Earth has that ended up being passed on to medical staff who are circulating it?

[tufty]

How on Earth has that ended up being passed on to medical staff who are circulating it?

The internet's full of shit, and people are gullible?

[Misfit]

So the voice mail I was passed, turns out it's fake.

PLEASE BE AWARE there is currently a fake voice msg circulating re. the ambulance response to #coronavirus and predicted case nos. It is claimed this info is from
@PHE_uk
. This is all completely FAKE! Keep up to date with the facts from
@NHSEngland

@GOVUK

@PHE_uk

#coronavirus

How on Earth has that ended up being passed on to medical staff who are circulating it?

Lots of crap going around at the moment.

Saying that we'll probably break the 900 deaths per day you mentioned soon, potentially by a lot, and hopefully, the peak is as near as next Thursday, so bits of truth in there to make it more real. Some tiny perspective is there are roughly 1500 deaths a day normally and I guess a few will overlap, so we're probably a little off the streets littered with bodies stage yet in terms of coping with them...

[zip accident]

For some reason, the UK's survivors are really rare. There are a huge number of cases, about 10% deaths, and less than 1% survivors. I'm presuming this is only hospitalised cases, in which case the numbers will peak due to hospitals being full, without the disease slowing down at all.

[Deckard]

UK's survivors are really rare

? Pretty much everyone survives....

[VNVObit]

For some reason, the UK's survivors are really rare. There are a huge number of cases, about 10% deaths, and less than 1% survivors. I'm presuming this is only hospitalised cases, in which case the numbers will peak due to hospitals being full, without the disease slowing down at all.

10% + 1% <> 100%

What are the remaining 89% if not survivors?

[Cloudane]

You mean the recovery stats? Might be that we're giving it a bit longer before a case is considered "recovered"

New deaths are already over the 900 mark today so the fake news was a bit optimistic

Hopefully it slows down a bit soon. Everything has lag.

[gilesgoat]

You mean the recovery stats? Might be that we're giving it a bit longer before a case is considered "recovered"

New deaths are already over the 900 mark today so the fake news was a bit optimistic

Hopefully it slows down a bit soon. Everything has lag.

Well take Italy as a reference, I think "all normal here", it took about .. 3 weeks to start seeing a slowing down in trend ?

[KlaxonCow]

The UK government is not reporting recovery stats.

At worldometer, the UK's recoveries has been stuck on 135 for well over a week now.

These, I believe, have been worked out incidentally. That is, Britons who were aboard cruise ships and such, who were tested and declared "recovered" by a foreign authority (e.g. Japan for the Diamond Princess) before returning home to the UK.

It's worth noting that, on the UK's individual page, the site no longer has the "recoveries vs. deaths" graph nor the "active cases / closed cases" summary at the top for the UK anymore (which it has for pretty much every other country, if you click through and look). Because those only work and make sense if there are actual "recovered" stats to compare things to - otherwise the graph just dive bombs to deaths and gives the impression, as you've gotten, that no-one is ever recovering.

Indeed, they did initially have these metrics but with no new "recovered" being added to that incidental 135, this gave the impression - which you've taken here - that apparently no-one is ever recovering. So they've removed those from the UK entry to avoid false conclusions being drawn.

Simply, the UK government is not reporting "recovered" figures. Don't ask me why, as this has never been explained. But the 135 on Worldometer ain't shifted for weeks. John Hopkins only has stats from British territories, like Gibraltar, but not the UK itself.

They just ain't officially reporting it, so it's not "confirmed", so these sites can't update their numbers beyond some initial and incidental stats they had in the first few weeks.

[rowan]

You mean the EU that offered us hundreds of ventilators over a month ago - but Gove said accepting them would have "upset Rees-Mogg and the ERG too much"?
You mean the EU that is including Britain in its fiscal stimulus package?
You mean the EU that has already spent millions helping to repatriate Britons abroad?

I suspect that rowan's colleague was referring to the tensions between the remaining non-British EU member states. See PFVA's post in response and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... perts-warn (followed by https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... escue-plan).

Correct, he was referring to the EU.
His point was you cannot make it work when FR full of yellow vest strikes, GR & IT bankrupt, LU a tax haven, HU a dictatorship, DE looking after themselves, ES youth unemployment level, BE sitting in the middle trying to mediate but everyone trying to fuck them.
The economic fallout from the current situation he fears will push it all to tipping point.

merman: This has nothing to do with any Brexit agenda, trust me I am well pissed off about that but in the best possible way, you seem to be letting it really get on top of you. Maybe with good reason, I don't know.

Meanwhile today, I tried to negotiate 4 day weeks [+1 day voluntary unpaid absence] through to June with my boss and he wasn't having any of it.
Later I talked to US colleague where the unpaid leave is mandatory and he was whining like a child about how it's unfair some have to do it & for others it is optional..
I get it's a bitter pill to swallow if you're reliant on monthly income for all your outgoings but he really needs to understand that US employment law favours the employer way more than the employee, he already has a ton of entitlement & advantages above most of the rest of the world and for all the greatness he sees in capitalism & the American Dream, it's funny how it doesn't feel like that when you're on the other side of it. Would've told him to grow up as well but I think he's only a couple of years off retirement.

[PFVA]

France is officially in recession now. Sorry, i couldn't find it in english but the link to Le Monde confirms the news:

https://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article ... _3234.html

And don't even ask about small us here. Tourism is the big industry. It's gone and who knows when it will be back. The not so big manufacturers we have specially up north were mostly connected to the North of Italy, and they will depend on their recovery. On the plus side wine exports shouldn't be affected.

[Space Cowboy]

You mean the EU that offered us hundreds of ventilators over a month ago - but Gove said accepting them would have "upset Rees-Mogg and the ERG too much"?

Awks. Still, it's going to happen when you turn an international crisis into an opportunity to be a cheer leader for the EU and shit on the government, eh?

[zip accident]

For some reason, the UK's survivors are really rare. There are a huge number of cases, about 10% deaths, and less than 1% survivors. I'm presuming this is only hospitalised cases, in which case the numbers will peak due to hospitals being full, without the disease slowing down at all.

10% + 1% <> 100%

What are the remaining 89% if not survivors?

The other 89% were currently infected.

I was looking at Wikipedia's graph earlier today, it's since changed.

The UK government is not reporting recovery stats.

At worldometer, the UK's recoveries has been stuck on 135 for well over a week now.

Well, at Wikipedia the UK recovered figure has move from 135 up to 281 on 22.3.2020, which is what I think I saw as the current figure earlier today when I posted the above, now they've dropped it entirely for about a fortnight.