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Little stoned kiwi wrote:Governments, corporations, political parties, and individuals across the entire spectrum are spreading misinformation and disinformation on such a large scale that a few data-centres being taken out wouldn't touch the sides of it.
True enough.

But I guess the gist of the accusation was more qualitative than quantitative. Not that all trolls everywhere disappeared - that is, of course, a decentralised impossibility - but that a particular brand of far-right troll, promoting MAGA, the AfD and such.

And though some Brexiteers were moaning, the intelligence agencies came out and confirmed (for a second time, really, as it has been mentioned before, at the time, but was overlooked completely, as Brexiteers were in charge of the government) that Burnham was right to say that Russia had targeted the Brexit referendum to cause trouble and division.

Because, again, the accusation isn't that these data centres originate all trolls, but more that these are where Russia's targeted misinformation campaigns originate from, so silencing them had a notable impact on a particular brand of far-right commentary.

Also, I used to run a cluster of servers, so I've seen the patterns. From Asia and Eastern Europe, you get people probing for open email servers to act as relays for their spam efforts - these people are trying to find a "legitimate" European email address to send out all the Viagra, "I am a Nigerian Prince" and other such bollocks. But they're only going for email ports.

But then you see the more worrying attacks - they're probing all your ports, testing your defences, trying known vulnerabilities against your server in the hopes you haven't patched it yet, etc. - and those come from Russian IP addresses. Those are the ones to be actually worried about - because Putin doesn't want a spam relay, he wants sneak bots onto every European server his operatives can sneak their way onto, and I believe the long-term plan is to infect enough European infrastructure and businesses that he has a "cyber bomb" at his beck and call.

And I do wonder, following the news, when we've had major infrastructure outages, he's just testing that it all works. Ready for the real "cyber bomb" where they send out a code to all their sleeping bots to knock out as much of the Internet as they can, all at once.

This is also different because I've seen that traffic for myself - watching what was trying to hit my servers and tracking what was going on and which IP addresses they were coming from (granted, I'm only ever seeing the final IP address and it could be relayed from somewhere else) and there's a clear pattern. Asia (including South Asia - that is, India) wants spam relays to make scam money. But Russian IP addresses are going after servers and trying to crack their way in.

I'm in a different job now and those servers I managed have been retired, but the thing I was never sure of - did any of these attacks actually succeed?

I'll never know. Because, as I say, what these Russian crackers seemed to be after was to silently drop "payloads" onto servers. Get a "back door" into the server. Not to bring them down, but just to have them sitting there, ready and waiting, reporting back data and waiting for a "self-destruct" code to be sent.
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KlaxonCow wrote:And though some Brexiteers were moaning, the intelligence agencies came out and confirmed (for a second time, really, as it has been mentioned before, at the time, but was overlooked completely, as Brexiteers were in charge of the government) that Burnham was right to say that Russia had targeted the Brexit referendum to cause trouble and division.
While I'm confident that likely happened, I don't recall the likes of Cambridge Analytica (and those who employed them) or the voters so against brown immigrants as being Russian. That call is coming from inside the house.
Saying the opposite of what you want is what Russia wants, or any other big bad wolf outside the door, is manipulative behaviour as well. Russia wouldn't have been the only entity interfering and much of their interference would have been supporting internal factions.
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Little stoned kiwi wrote:I don't recall the likes of Cambridge Analytica (and those who employed them) or the voters so against brown immigrants as being Russian. That call is coming from inside the house.
The "those who employed them" was mostly Arron Banks. His wife is Russian. Which is obviously purely coincidental. Banks himself had multiple meetings with Russian officials at the Russian embassy in London starting at the announcement of the Brexit referendum. Again, purely coincidental. He's also a big fan of the orange buffoon, and he's apparently involved with New Zealand First as well.

There are similar links to Russia in all of Europe's far right parties. A lot of their funding comes from the Urals.

Yes, it's true that there is racism in British politics. There is racism in all countries' politics. And yes, in the UK it has seen a resurgence since Brexit (and arguably Trump's first term), with those who previously refrained from voicing their opinions on what should happen to them darkies now feeling empowered to enlighten us with their wisdom. It's been a downhill spiral and we now have political parties openly espousing "remigration". Is that purely external influence? No, clearly not. Is it something that external influences would gain from pushing? Clearly yes. On balance, I think it's fairly clear that a part of that /has/ been stoked by external influences, of whom the Russians are very much a part.
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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I didn't say Russia wasn't involved. I was emphasising that there are influences from a wide spectrum and don't like just blaming 'reds under the bed' as it downplays involvement of others, and the fact they stoke sectors of the population rather than manufacturing something that wasn't there to begin with. Media manipulation can only go so far - though have to admit I'm wilfully naive about that as I'm not prepared to face thinking less of the wider public and that they are just galvanising pockets of assholes.
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Oh, I know you weren't suggesting Russia wasn't involved. However, they are, and have been for a long time, very heavily invested in the rise of far right politics in Europe. The continued existence of, and now rise of, parties like AfD, FPÖ, Front Nationale / Rassemblement Nationale, the entirety of extreme right wing Italian politics, the far right in Holland, Belgium and the Balkans, and so on and so forth simply would not have happened without Russian funding. It really is that simple.

And unfortunately, it's time to face up to reality. 20% of the population, everywhere, are fucking asshats who will openly vote for the extreme right if given the chance. Another 20% have sympathy for the sort of shite these people are pushing and are open to simple manipulation. The world's full of cunts.
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I'm getting to the point where I think the rest of the civilised world would be better off completely cutting all internet traffic to and from Russia.
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Yaxley-Lennon was found guilty of harassing journalists. Sentencing in December. Here's hoping for a WhiteJailed Christmas.

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Today is election day in the US. This is either going to get hilarious or down right pitiful.
I've only gotten about 4 dozen political fliers in the mail, I wish I had a fireplace!
I've also gotten about 5 email reminders to go and vote, even thought I did it weeks ago.
Let's see what happens.
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Hope is a bit of a rare quantity these days, but I damn well wish the Republicans get absolutely hammered.
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The Republicans do seem to be getting a bit hammered. What a shame.
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I have as much sympathy for them over the current results as the typical ICE officer does for their targets.
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Well according to CNN projections the House and the Senate will be under Democrat control. I can't wait to see what happens. Let the games begin! If the Democrats turn the country around it's almost certain they will have the Presidency in 2028.
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Now maybe things will start to pick up and improve. The man had his chance and completely muffed it. One of the stupidest things was the huge tariffs. I have no extensive experience in economics or politics, but anyone with half a brain cell know that increased cost, due to the tariffs and other reasons, will just be passed on to the consumer through increased cost which, in turn, will increase inflation. American Democrats this is your big chance! Don't muff it also.
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SuperMappy wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2026 1:34 pm 0 American Democrats this is your big chance! Don't muff it also.
Never underestimate the ability of the democrats to shit in their own plate.
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