Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

[Yak]

I'd have to disagree with you there. Each console generation has spawned new types of games or enhancements to gameplay that wouldn't have been technically feasible on earlier tech. You couldn't do Sonic on a Master System, Mario64 on a SNES, GTA3 on a PS1. We haven't seen anything really new on the 360 or PS3 so far, but it takes time.

Yeah, but since the PS1/Dreamcast era when we arrived at "reasonable amount of optical storage" and "being able to do 30 reasonably" there hasn't been *that* much more innovation, just iterate-and-make-prettier. My point is that at least Ninty are trying to push out in a new direction rather than just engage in another round of the same old arms race. That makes Wii more intrinsically *interesting* than just more muscle-flexing and the same old interface. (Yes, I know there's online to consider as well, but I'm used to that now thanks to the 360).

[Foozwah]

Each console generation has spawned new types of games or enhancements to gameplay that wouldn't have been technically feasible on earlier tech. You couldn't do Sonic on a Master System ... <snip>

Err, they did do Sonic on the Master System...

It was released just five months after the Megadrive/Genesis version, and while it obviously has 8-bit graphics, it featured identical gameplay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_ ... _System%29

[Alarm]

Virtual Console games for Europe in December 2006:

NES: Baseball, Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr., Ice Hockey, Mario Bros., Pinball, Soccer, Solomon’s Key, Tennis, The Legend of Zelda, Urban Champion, Wario’s Woods.

SNES: Donkey Kong Country, F-Zero, SimCity

N64: Super Mario 64

Megadrive: Sonic the Hedgehog, Altered Beast, Golden Axe, Columns, Gunstar Heroes, Ecco the Dolphin, Space Harrier II, Toe Jam & Earl, Ristar, Dr. Robotonik’s Mean Bean Machine

PC Engine: Bonk’s Adventure, Super Star Soldier, Victory Run, Bomberman’93, Dungeon Explorer

[Marius]

I'd have to disagree with you there. Each console generation has spawned new types of games or enhancements to gameplay that wouldn't have been technically feasible on earlier tech. You couldn't do Sonic on a Master System, Mario64 on a SNES, GTA3 on a PS1. We haven't seen anything really new on the 360 or PS3 so far, but it takes time.

Yeah, but since the PS1/Dreamcast era when we arrived at "reasonable amount of optical storage" and "being able to do 30 reasonably" there hasn't been *that* much more innovation, just iterate-and-make-prettier. My point is that at least Ninty are trying to push out in a new direction rather than just engage in another round of the same old arms race. That makes Wii more intrinsically *interesting* than just more muscle-flexing and the same old interface. (Yes, I know there's online to consider as well, but I'm used to that now thanks to the 360).

I agree, but are they doing it because they truly believe it to be the future of gaming and because it is something they would have done, even if the cube had been a massive success...or are they doing it simply because they realised that they cannot compete with Sony and the PS3, so they felt that they had to stray off the beaten path to have a snowballs chance in hell of holding their own against Sony?

[PumaG]

I hate braindead automatic cameras.

Me too. But I hate manual cameras even more.

In my opinion, stick a better d-pad on the 360's pad and you have the best controller in the entire history of gaming.

The 360 pad is a Wavebird with "oh we better move the buttons and handles little bit so it doesnt look like a copy" The quality is better though, and theyve added rumble of course.
The wavebird is better for me as the shoulder buttons are more ergonomic (I get a numb finger from RR6) and prefer the easier access to the start button, and the xyz button layout is nicer IMO.

[Yak]

I'd have to disagree with you there. Each console generation has spawned new types of games or enhancements to gameplay that wouldn't have been technically feasible on earlier tech. You couldn't do Sonic on a Master System, Mario64 on a SNES, GTA3 on a PS1. We haven't seen anything really new on the 360 or PS3 so far, but it takes time.

Yeah, but since the PS1/Dreamcast era when we arrived at "reasonable amount of optical storage" and "being able to do 30 reasonably" there hasn't been *that* much more innovation, just iterate-and-make-prettier. My point is that at least Ninty are trying to push out in a new direction rather than just engage in another round of the same old arms race. That makes Wii more intrinsically *interesting* than just more muscle-flexing and the same old interface. (Yes, I know there's online to consider as well, but I'm used to that now thanks to the 360).

I agree, but are they doing it because they truly believe it to be the future of gaming and because it is something they would have done, even if the cube had been a massive success...or are they doing it simply because they realised that they cannot compete with Sony and the PS3, so they felt that they had to stray off the beaten path to have a snowballs chance in hell of holding their own against Sony?

Well, whatever the reason, they must be doing something right; I'm actively looking forward to the Wii launch, but I can't really get excited about the ps3 launch, and as I mentioned in my edge column a while back, that's pretty much a first for me, I've always been an early adopter. And I even have the requisite hi-def telly and everything. Next year some time, maybe, when there are some good games out, but I don't really care that Europe aren't getting it this year.

I already have a 360 and it's just not terribly exciting to have the prospect of the same kinds of games which *may possibly* be *slightly* shinier or whatever than the ones I've already got... it's just... meh.

Whereas the Wii, as I said, seems more interesting, and has the potential to be a proper laugh .

[teamonkey]

Err, they did do Sonic on the Master System...

D'oh!

[Deckard]

I'd have to disagree with you there. Each console generation has spawned new types of games or enhancements to gameplay that wouldn't have been technically feasible on earlier tech. You couldn't do Sonic on a Master System, Mario64 on a SNES, GTA3 on a PS1. We haven't seen anything really new on the 360 or PS3 so far, but it takes time.

Yeah, but since the PS1/Dreamcast era when we arrived at "reasonable amount of optical storage" and "being able to do 30 reasonably" there hasn't been *that* much more innovation, just iterate-and-make-prettier. My point is that at least Ninty are trying to push out in a new direction rather than just engage in another round of the same old arms race. That makes Wii more intrinsically *interesting* than just more muscle-flexing and the same old interface. (Yes, I know there's online to consider as well, but I'm used to that now thanks to the 360).

I agree, but are they doing it because they truly believe it to be the future of gaming and because it is something they would have done, even if the cube had been a massive success...or are they doing it simply because they realised that they cannot compete with Sony and the PS3, so they felt that they had to stray off the beaten path to have a snowballs chance in hell of holding their own against Sony?

Well, whatever the reason, they must be doing something right; I'm actively looking forward to the Wii launch, but I can't really get excited about the ps3 launch, and as I mentioned in my edge column a while back, that's pretty much a first for me, I've always been an early adopter. And I even have the requisite hi-def telly and everything. Next year some time, maybe, when there are some good games out, but I don't really care that Europe aren't getting it this year.

I already have a 360 and it's just not terribly exciting to have the prospect of the same kinds of games which *may possibly* be *slightly* shinier or whatever than the ones I've already got... it's just... meh.

Whereas the Wii, as I said, seems more interesting, and has the potential to be a proper laugh .

So can we take it that as a given that next year we will be spinning round like a bastard in our living rooms to some Yak Wii tubing madness

[Yak]

I'd have to disagree with you there. Each console generation has spawned new types of games or enhancements to gameplay that wouldn't have been technically feasible on earlier tech. You couldn't do Sonic on a Master System, Mario64 on a SNES, GTA3 on a PS1. We haven't seen anything really new on the 360 or PS3 so far, but it takes time.

Yeah, but since the PS1/Dreamcast era when we arrived at "reasonable amount of optical storage" and "being able to do 30 reasonably" there hasn't been *that* much more innovation, just iterate-and-make-prettier. My point is that at least Ninty are trying to push out in a new direction rather than just engage in another round of the same old arms race. That makes Wii more intrinsically *interesting* than just more muscle-flexing and the same old interface. (Yes, I know there's online to consider as well, but I'm used to that now thanks to the 360).

I agree, but are they doing it because they truly believe it to be the future of gaming and because it is something they would have done, even if the cube had been a massive success...or are they doing it simply because they realised that they cannot compete with Sony and the PS3, so they felt that they had to stray off the beaten path to have a snowballs chance in hell of holding their own against Sony?

Well, whatever the reason, they must be doing something right; I'm actively looking forward to the Wii launch, but I can't really get excited about the ps3 launch, and as I mentioned in my edge column a while back, that's pretty much a first for me, I've always been an early adopter. And I even have the requisite hi-def telly and everything. Next year some time, maybe, when there are some good games out, but I don't really care that Europe aren't getting it this year.

I already have a 360 and it's just not terribly exciting to have the prospect of the same kinds of games which *may possibly* be *slightly* shinier or whatever than the ones I've already got... it's just... meh.

Whereas the Wii, as I said, seems more interesting, and has the potential to be a proper laugh .

So can we take it that as a given that next year we will be spinning round like a bastard in our living rooms to some Yak Wii tubing madness

Actually I'd be happy enough to work on ps3 as well if the occasion demanded it, I'm not that much of a systems zealot . At the moment it's all XBLA for me though, since it's accessible and MS actively want me doing stuff there; none of the other two have been much interested .

[matt303]

Sega virtual console titles to be 800 Wii points ( $8 )

PC Engine titles starting at 600 Wii points ( $6 )

[Marius]

The PS3 might be more powerful than the 360, but the 360 is still powerful enough to satisfy my next-gen cravings. Also, the HD-DVD format is, at least for the moment, the format of choice.

I'm an old-school gamer, so fancy graphics and hype never did sway me either way...it's all about the gameplay. But I do understand that the majority of gamers out there are easily swayed by pretty pictures and hype, something games like Driv3r easily proved.

At the time the DS and PSP were launched I will admit that I was leaning towards the PSP...that is, until I actually held it in my hand and found out that the games were all "been there, done that".

[gilesgoat]

Yeah Nintendo would be cool, the new controller and all would allow to
explore "a different approach to gaming", I am sure there are "trivial
ways" to use it as well as "innovative ways".

PS3 could be interesting "from a programming point of view", differert HW
new processors and all .. but it really has to be seen "what you can really
take out of it", I expect one can take out stuff that is really impossible to
be taken out with any other existent console.

But in that direction it also means you are forced to create some really
unique stuff .. or it does not make much sense otherwise, lot of complexity
and things added to make the same stuff you can do anywhere else ? No thanks.

Anyway I am a bit zealot in some stuff

I quite care about what kind of business relationship is possible to obtain
with a given company X, what they think of us, what kind of deals is
possible to obtain, what kind of people you meet and more important than
all "how you work with them" and how things go.

So far MS been very nice, I really like to work with them if things continue
to go this way I am more than happy and they are my best friends

I really would like to do something for the DS, it would be something I'd
then play all time down the pub and such

DS is so "the perfect portable"

I hope also when finally PS3 and all will be out that for a number of years
to come "that will be it" and there won't be "any new things for a while", it
takes LOT of time to understand well systems and do really nice things
for them, put too much innovation all in once and then "you never get
out what you could get out".

HW innovation for a while has to stop IMHO and people has to focus on
"ideas innovation" the HW is more than enough powerful now.

[Marius]

I want my games to look like Zelda, Kingdom Hearts 2 and Okami, not like the real world. So in that regard the current generation of hardware is more than adequate.

The first bunch of "next-gen" games are all the same regurgitated shit that pops up on evey new console launch, and that is probably why the Wii lineup seems especially attractive, because even though you might have seen that type of game before, you have never played it like this before.

[Ratsoap]

COD3 has way better controls that Red Steel according to C&VG.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ar ... ?id=148454

[Deckard]

Sega virtual console titles to be 800 Wii points ( $8 )

PC Engine titles starting at 600 Wii points ( $6 )

So will this translate to dollars for pounds ?