Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

romanista · Post by **romanista** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:00 pm 0

teamonkey wrote:
Foozwah wrote:Err, they did do Sonic on the Master System...
D'oh!

which reminds me, did they ever finish the spectrum sonic remake retrogamer was talking enthousiasticly about 1,5 year ago?

PumaG · Post by **PumaG** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:32 pm 0

Deckard wrote:
matt303 wrote:Sega virtual console titles to be 800 Wii points ( $8 )

PC Engine titles starting at 600 Wii points ( $6 )
So will this translate to dollars for pounds ?

Not when everything else is dollars for euros

fog · Post by **fog** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:44 pm 0

Yak wrote: I already have a 360 and it's just not terribly exciting to have the prospect of the same kinds of games which *may possibly* be *slightly* shinier or whatever than the ones I've already got... it's just... meh.

Whereas the Wii, as I said, seems more interesting, and has the potential to be a proper laugh .

I'm quite surprised at you saying that about the 360 Jeff. Actually I'm not surprised as that quite probably is the case but it certainly shouldn't be. Sure there will be a lot of the same old stuff on the 360 that's just a bit shinier but there will be on the Wii too, just a bit shitter

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The lack of a fancy innovative controller doesn't stop the 360 having new and innovative games any more than it stopped the previous gen from having them.

The Wii's controller will open up new possibilities for games designers to pursue, but the extra power of the 360 & PS3 if used properly (ie. not just for added shine) should open up as many possibilities in the right hands.

Obviously it's all down to developers. I know there will be interesting titles on the Wii and I can think of some upcoming 360 titles that look like they are doing things the right way (I wont mention any names) but if developers can only truly innovate when they are given a new controller and almost forced to do so then the industry is in a bad way.

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:54 pm 0

I was referring to the ps3. I was saying I *already* have my 360 for the mo' shinier stuff

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Anyway at the moment I'm in the "shinier" side of things myself - for the effects-laden stuff I'm doing right now I wouldn't want to give up my precious shaders

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And anyway I'm not denying that innovation is possible via conventional interfaces (and MS are encourageing it IMO through the existence of XBLA; part of the stagnation is due to fear of "big" publishers to go outside of proven formulae given that dev costs for a "big" game are so vast). I'm just saying that providing by default a means of doing new stuff is a major incentive towards experimentation on the wii, which I see as being a Good Thing

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Deckard · Post by **Deckard** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:59 pm 0

fog wrote:
Yak wrote: I already have a 360 and it's just not terribly exciting to have the prospect of the same kinds of games which *may possibly* be *slightly* shinier or whatever than the ones I've already got... it's just... meh.

Whereas the Wii, as I said, seems more interesting, and has the potential to be a proper laugh .
I'm quite surprised at you saying that about the 360 Jeff. Actually I'm not surprised as that quite probably is the case but it certainly shouldn't be. Sure there will be a lot of the same old stuff on the 360 that's just a bit shinier but there will be on the Wii too, just a bit shitter .

The lack of a fancy innovative controller doesn't stop the 360 having new and innovative games any more than it stopped the previous gen from having them.

The Wii's controller will open up new possibilities for games designers to pursue, but the extra power of the 360 & PS3 if used properly (ie. not just for added shine) should open up as many possibilities in the right hands.

Obviously it's all down to developers. I know there will be interesting titles on the Wii and I can think of some upcoming 360 titles that look like they are doing things the right way (I wont mention any names) but if developers can only truly innovate when they are given a new controller and almost forced to do so then the industry is in a bad way.

The industry IS in a bad way

Where are those new gaming experiences ?

WiteWulf · Post by **WiteWulf** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:25 pm 0

Wii Virtual Console laucnh title announced on 1up.com:

NES Games (500 Wii Points)

* Mario Bros.: Mario and Luigi punch turtles.
* The Legend of Zelda: The original Hyrulean adventure.
* Donkey Kong: The game that put Nintendo on the map.
* Donkey Kong Jr.: Not quite a classic, but its cameo in Yoshi's Island DS is pretty boss.
* Ice Hockey: Fat guy, normal guy and skinny guy hit the ice.
* Pinball: Mario moonlights as a paddle in this one.
* Soccer: Another early NES sports title. About soccer!
* Tennis: Simple but effective volley action.
* Urban Champion: An early, and not particularly good, brawler.
* Wario's Woods: A falling-block puzzle game starring Wario.
* Baseball: Yet another early NES sports game.
* Solomon's Key: A surprisingly difficult puzzle-action game.

SNES Games (800 Wii Points)

* F-Zero: A futuristic racer that reinvented the genre.
* SimCity: Make your city awesome and you'll get a statue of Mario!

N64 Games (1000 Wii Points)

* Super Mario 64: The template for 3D platform gaming.

Genesis Games (800 Wii Points)

* Sonic the Hedgehog: Spiky guy, attitude, goes fast. You know this one.
* Altered Beast: This bestial brawler will make you wise fwom your gwave!
* Golden Axe: One of the best multiplayer brawlers ever made.
* Columns: Before Bejeweled, there was Columns.
* Ecco the Dolphin: Save the ocean in this beautiful (but difficult) adventure.
* Gunstar Heroes: The action/shooter/platformer/brawler that made Treasure a hardcore fave.
* Space Harrier II: A fast-paced shooter featuring super-scaler action!
* Toe Jam & Earl: A funky and oddly mellow adventure.
* Ristar: Sega's less popular 16-bit mascot.
* Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine: (Psst, it's actually Puyo Pop.)

TurboGrafx 16 Games (600 Wii Points)

* Bonk's Adventure: Carnivorous caveman antics.
* Super Star Soldier: Superlative space shooting.
* Victory Run: Slick racing action.
* Bomberman '93: Explosive multiplayer mayhem.
* Dungeon Explorer: Classic RPG combat.

All I can say is: "wot no turbografx R-Type?"

benedictw · Post by **benedictw** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:43 pm 0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6088914.stm

BBC Random Person looks at the Wii.

They weren't convinced but were most impressed by Zelda. Completely the 'wrong' way round as I had pegged Zelda as being fairly hardcore and wario etc as being good for the new peeps.

Misfit · Post by **Misfit** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:47 pm 0

WiteWulf wrote: All I can say is: "wot no turbografx R-Type?"

Exactly what I thought!

Of course I have about 18 emulated ways to play it, but that just doesn't matter!

RageMatrix · Post by **RageMatrix** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:50 pm 0

* Toe Jam & Earl: A funky and oddly mellow adventure.

Sold!

I've waited years to play this game on a proper TV again. Hell, I'm buying a Wii just for this

TFO · Post by **TFO** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:53 pm 0

Misfit wrote:
WiteWulf wrote: All I can say is: "wot no turbografx R-Type?"
Exactly what I thought!

Of course I have about 18 emulated ways to play it, but that just doesn't matter!

Give it time.
I'm sure the ones we are all waiting for will appear eventually...

WiteWulf · Post by **WiteWulf** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:58 pm 0

Aye...it'll appear eventually....the TurboGrafx16/PCEngine versions of R-Type and R-Type2 where the absolute dog's bollocks, like owning the real cabinet almost.

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:12 pm 0

WiteWulf wrote:Aye...it'll appear eventually....the TurboGrafx16/PCEngine versions of R-Type and R-Type2 where the absolute dog's bollocks, like owning the real cabinet almost.

They were good enough that you could learn your skillz at home and they'd still work when you went to the arcade

. Not many home versions of coinops could provide that back then

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fog · Post by **fog** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:17 pm 0

Yak wrote:I was referring to the ps3. I was saying I *already* have my 360 for the mo' shinier stuff .

Ah same here then. I can only really justify a PS3 purchase for the exclusives as the 360 will suffice for any multiformat titles. With Wii filing the "something different" void.

Yak wrote: And anyway I'm not denying that innovation is possible via conventional interfaces (and MS are encourageing it IMO through the existence of XBLA; part of the stagnation is due to fear of "big" publishers to go outside of proven formulae given that dev costs for a "big" game are so vast).

So what you're saying is we really need an XBLA title that proves you can successfully use the extra processing power available to make something that looks great whilst still being innovative. Any ideas?

On a different note....why so few SNES & N64 titles for VC? That's all a bit shit.

D.J.Fudge · Post by **D.J.Fudge** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:32 pm 0

fog wrote: On a different note....why so few SNES & N64 titles for VC? That's all a bit shit.

I should think that Nintendo want you to spend your time and money on Wii titles. I expect they'll release the good SNES/N64 titles in the quiet periods between Wii releases

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:42 pm 0

fog wrote:
Yak wrote:I was referring to the ps3. I was saying I *already* have my 360 for the mo' shinier stuff .
Ah same here then. I can only really justify a PS3 purchase for the exclusives as the 360 will suffice for any multiformat titles. With Wii filing the "something different" void.

Yak wrote: And anyway I'm not denying that innovation is possible via conventional interfaces (and MS are encourageing it IMO through the existence of XBLA; part of the stagnation is due to fear of "big" publishers to go outside of proven formulae given that dev costs for a "big" game are so vast).
So what you're saying is we really need an XBLA title that proves you can successfully use the extra processing power available to make something that looks great whilst still being innovative. Any ideas?

On a different note....why so few SNES & N64 titles for VC? That's all a bit shit.

Can I say that "there's more than enough already to be innovative".

To a certain extent, let's face it, we could say that "to be innovative or
not you don't need next gen stuff, innovation is in the mind".

Anwyay true and fair play that all this "next gen" stuff is bringing some
technical innovations ( more power, shaders, new controls ) that should
say at least "now you have it, use it" and "push" into exploration of new directions.

Now "yet-another-fps-with-shiner-graphic-and-more-physiscs" ok is "new"
under some aspects but yet "it's not new at all".

Even if, of course, if you like some gender a more refined of the same
gender is still "new" and "a good thing" for you.

I want a more expanded AC where it's possible to do more things with
the animals

And can we finally have AC PLUSHIES pleeeeease ?