The Sony PS3 thread (apparently *still* obnoxious!)

Mele · Post by **Mele** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:47 pm 0

NFS Carbon is worse graphically than the xbox360 with poor motion blurring and textures.
If I was a Japanese buyer or American the feeling of getting well and truly buggered by Sony would be hard to take.

For once I've never been so glad about a delayed euro launch , come march we may have a system worth buying

Visually, the PlayStation 3 version of Need for Speed Carbon falls short of its Xbox 360 counterpart. The two games run at roughly the same framerate, but the PS3's filtering effects, specifically the blurring, can be ugly. Road textures look nice and detailed at low speeds, but when you're flying down the road and the game blurs everything, they simply look poor. A few other odd things don't match up either, like the Drafter's wake, which is a transparent cylinder on the 360 and some rather ugly blue streamers on the PS3.

Kemper_Boyd · Post by **Kemper_Boyd** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:50 pm 0

The analysis reckons that the combined material and manufacturing
cost for the 20GB version is $805.85 and $840.35 for the 60GB version
That means Sony makes a big loss on each PS3 it sells.

The Xbox 360 has a BOM (bill of materials) of $323.30. "The size of
Sony's loss per unit is remarkable, even for the video game console
business," said iSuppli.

Rassweiler added: "While many fret over the high cost of the Playstation 3
compared to the competition, iSuppli believes the console provides more
processing power and capability than any consumer electronics device in
history. Because of this, the Playstation 3 is a great bargain, well worth its
$599 price and $840.35 cost."

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35784

fog · Post by **fog** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:57 pm 0

Mele wrote:NFS Carbon is worse graphically than the xbox360 with poor motion blurring and textures.
If I was a Japanese buyer or American the feeling of getting well and truly buggered by Sony would be hard to take.

I didn't realise Sony wrote NFS Carbon.

Seriously though the similarly spec'd 360 has been out for a year now so I'd expect the 360 version to look slightly better than the launch PS3 title.

Mele · Post by **Mele** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:17 pm 0

Agree the developers have written it but why was it worse ? From the hyperbole of Sony I'm expecting great 1080p graphics the best out there and if I'm paying Â£500 quid plus I would expect it.

disciple · Post by **disciple** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:20 pm 0

Bubba wrote:Ahh read it through again and understand it a little better this time . It basically means you can have 480i, 480p, 720p or 1080p. If you have a set which can only handle 480i, 480p, 1080i (and apparently quite a few older US sets only do this!) then you're buggered as the PS3 will only output 480p.

Which is a bit of a shitter...

It's not so bad, if your telly doesn't do 720p it isn't HD ready anyway.

Sir_LANs-a-lot · Post by **Sir_LANs-a-lot** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:21 pm 0

Mele wrote:Agree the developers have written it but why was it worse ? From the hyperbole of Sony I'm expecting great 1080p graphics the best out there and if I'm paying Â£500 quid plus I would expect it.

Maybe they don't want it to look as good as the Gran Turismo franchise.

:oocynical:

[Feeblez] · Post by **[Feeblez]** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:59 pm 0

PS3 Campers Shot Outside Best Buy in Drive-By Shooting!

lots of other PS3 stories here...
http://www.kotaku.com/

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:57 pm 0

Kris has already told me about 2 EB Games near her being robbed... news at 11.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:11 pm 0

fog wrote:
Mele wrote:NFS Carbon is worse graphically than the xbox360 with poor motion blurring and textures.
If I was a Japanese buyer or American the feeling of getting well and truly buggered by Sony would be hard to take.
I didn't realise Sony wrote NFS Carbon.

Seriously though the similarly spec'd 360

I think the point is, Sony would argue with that "similarly spec'd"

matt303 · Post by **matt303** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:53 pm 0

disciple wrote:
Bubba wrote:Ahh read it through again and understand it a little better this time . It basically means you can have 480i, 480p, 720p or 1080p. If you have a set which can only handle 480i, 480p, 1080i (and apparently quite a few older US sets only do this!) then you're buggered as the PS3 will only output 480p.

Which is a bit of a shitter...
It's not so bad, if your telly doesn't do 720p it isn't HD ready anyway.

The "HD Ready" logo is a European thing I think, I'd say the majority of installed HD TVs in the US will fall into the 480i, 480p, 1080i camp. TV buying trends in the US are quite different from europe and someone buying a HiDef TV until recently would have been buying a BIG 4:3 CRT or rear projection set.

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:59 pm 0

matt303 wrote:
disciple wrote:
Bubba wrote:Ahh read it through again and understand it a little better this time . It basically means you can have 480i, 480p, 720p or 1080p. If you have a set which can only handle 480i, 480p, 1080i (and apparently quite a few older US sets only do this!) then you're buggered as the PS3 will only output 480p.

Which is a bit of a shitter...
It's not so bad, if your telly doesn't do 720p it isn't HD ready anyway.
The "HD Ready" logo is a European thing I think, I'd say the majority of installed HD TVs in the US will fall into the 480i, 480p, 1080i camp. TV buying trends in the US are quite different from europe and someone buying a HiDef TV until recently would have been buying a BIG 4:3 CRT or rear projection set.

I can't remember where I saw the story somewhere some time ago.

"HD ready" DOES NOT mean that "this TV is capable of displaying HDTV".

Anyway, it seems to be "quite well defined" that if you are talking about
HDTV you are talking at AT LEAST 720p (i.e. 720 non interlaced), what is
below that I am not sure you can say "it's HDTV".

"In its days" anyway wasn't "HD native resolution" 1920x1200 or something
like that ?

Where is all this 720 or 1080i coming from ?

Kemper_Boyd · Post by **Kemper_Boyd** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:05 pm 0

gilesgoat wrote:"HD ready" DOES NOT mean that "this TV is capable of displaying HDTV".

It does if it has the HD Ready logo on it. I've noticed a few cheap TVs
labelled as HDTV Ready which is not the same and tends to mean they
lack the HDMI or DVI with HDCP.

Stone · Post by **Stone** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:40 pm 0

gilesgoat wrote:"In its days" anyway wasn't "HD native resolution" 1920x1200 or something
like that ?

Where is all this 720 or 1080i coming from ?

Cost-cutting, and a lack of analogue transmission bandwidth, I think.

No wonder the Americans are all stuck with 420p though, after NTSC it must look bloody gorgeous

Stone

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:59 pm 0

I know it's a Wiki link, but I can't see any fault (from my own knowledge) of the content here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_ready

fog · Post by **fog** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:21 pm 0

ebay PS3 pre-sales:

The average sales price of PS3 is an astounding $1,532.76. This marks a 200% and 155% increase over the projected MSRP of $499, for 20GB hard drive, and $599, for 60GB hard drive, respectively.
1,181 PS3 systems sold in pre-sale on eBay.
The average sales price has increased 43.6%, from $1,423.12 on October 26 to $2,043.18 on November 8. Purchasing the PS3 sooner rather than later will help buyers save big bucks.

http://www.destructoid.com/ebay-release ... 7903.phtml
A nice little earner for someone.

YakYak

The Sony PS3 thread (apparently still obnoxious!)