The Sony PS3 thread (apparently *still* obnoxious!)

[p-saurus]

I played the Metal Storm demo today at work. The game is pretty fun but IMO, the graphics weren't especially spectacular. It looks nice but some of the texture work is sloppy, it runs at 30FPS most of the time with occasional dips, the motion blur is obnoxious and the environments look pretty average when you're not really flying through them.

Not bad for a first generation game but its definitely not $600 good.

[defsdoor]

I want one of these -

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/plasma-tv/th ... /index.htm

1920x1080

[Hajile]

Always a big mistake. You're looking at Mega CD boy here.

The Sega CD did great in the US. Robo Alest, Keio Flying Squadron (I imported the PAL sequel for Saturn), Panic!, Lunar 1 & 2, Vay, Popful Mail, superior versions of Earthworm Jim and both Ecco the Dolphins, etc. A bit slow overall, but quality stuff in the end.

James

Aye. The only reason it didn't do so well elsewhere is because no bugger bought it. So, Hajile, I salute you, Sir.

Thank you.

I'm Sega through and through. If I could ever be called a fanboy, I know where I'd pitch my tent. I even bought a 32X, for god's sake...

It was always such a shame to see Sega consoles fail, Mega CD, Saturn and Dreamcast (not 32X, that was just a Virtual Boy-sized misfire...). They struggled so damned hard and had so many incredible games come out for them, but they never seemed to click with the public.

If anything I blame Sony for Sega's retirement from the hardware business. If the PS and PS2 hadn't come along and obliterated everything, the Saturn and Dreamcast may have had a better slice of the market, and Sega wouldn't have run out of cash during the Dreamcast days.

I feel sad now...

It seems sometimes that Microsoft now occupy the Sega position of perrennial yet stalwart runner-up. I've also drawn parallels with the launch of the 360 to the Dreamcast before now.

[Mayhem]

I'll agree partly there. Sony was the #2 reason. Sega itself is the #1 reason why Sega failed imo.

[Kronos]

Always a big mistake. You're looking at Mega CD boy here.

The Sega CD did great in the US. Robo Alest, Keio Flying Squadron (I imported the PAL sequel for Saturn), Panic!, Lunar 1 & 2, Vay, Popful Mail, superior versions of Earthworm Jim and both Ecco the Dolphins, etc. A bit slow overall, but quality stuff in the end.

James

Aye. The only reason it didn't do so well elsewhere is because no bugger bought it. So, Hajile, I salute you, Sir.

Thank you.

I'm Sega through and through. If I could ever be called a fanboy, I know where I'd pitch my tent. I even bought a 32X, for god's sake...

It was always such a shame to see Sega consoles fail, Mega CD, Saturn and Dreamcast (not 32X, that was just a Virtual Boy-sized misfire...). They struggled so damned hard and had so many incredible games come out for them, but they never seemed to click with the public.

If anything I blame Sony for Sega's retirement from the hardware business. If the PS and PS2 hadn't come along and obliterated everything, the Saturn and Dreamcast may have had a better slice of the market, and Sega wouldn't have run out of cash during the Dreamcast days.

I feel sad now...

It seems sometimes that Microsoft now occupy the Sega position of perrennial yet stalwart runner-up. I've also drawn parallels with the launch of the 360 to the Dreamcast before now.

Another Sega addict here (backlash against all that cutesy marioworld crap for me personally), the only Sega console I don't have is a master system. Even got a Mega-CD mk1 and 2 but they were bootsale bargains, and now that Duracell batteries are like 50p each the Gamegear gets a fair amount of useage especially with R-Type and the adaptor for the SMS I would never class Microsoft as poor though, and never feel as sorry for them as I did Sega, they already have a monopoly (so does Nintendo too) whereas Sega just seamingly lost everything and to a bystander are just clinging onto making games side to make a living . Really frustrating because some of my favourite xbox games are from Sega (Outrun2 Panzar Orta, JSRF) an they are in a class of their own and as for Orta and JSRF pretty damned special and unique. Infact JSRF is the game that brought the biggest smile to my face when booting up a new console I had just bought in my life.

I think with the DC Sega was just unlucky caught out with the DVD whirlwind at the time and the PS2 having DVD already ("a console AND a Sony DVD player in one you say hmmm" Kerching!! etc). One game I really would have wanted to see on the DC was Colin McRae 3, just to compare consoles really.

I think this is the problem, PS1 was really quite a lovely machine with the clever licencing of Wipeout and RR. PS2 had a Sony badge and played DVDs (not very well but this didn't matter to Jo Bloggs), this time it's not so clear cut with HD-DVD coming on the scene AND Microsoft doing a HD-DVD add-on. Plus there seams to be a certain apathy that the 3rd Generation of 3d consoles is still only changing the actual graphical quality apart from Nintendo who have opted for a push in the right direction of more immersive control input.

Does anyone have any links to some PS3 gameplay footage of carbon which isnt in shit-o-vision WMV postage stamp sized resolution? EA can't code for shit anyway but I would love to see the difference so I can decide whether to throw away a month of my free time (aka get it now on 360)

Oh well I'll just have to convince a rich friend to shell out for one on ebay and pop round there

[Snakey]

I'll agree partly there. Sony was the #2 reason. Sega itself is the #1 reason why Sega failed imo.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. No.

Sega couldn't have done anything more right with the Dreamcast.

[p-saurus]

I'll agree partly there. Sony was the #2 reason. Sega itself is the #1 reason why Sega failed imo.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. No.

Sega couldn't have done anything more right with the Dreamcast.

That may be the case but I knew a lot of people who refused to buy another console from Sega after the 32x and Saturn debacles. I think it would have been a success if it hadn't been for the Sony hype machine but I do think that Sega had a lot to do with the demise of the Dreamcast.

That being said, Test Drive LeMans on Dreamcast is still the best looking game on either console.

[ThetaReactor]

I'll agree partly there. Sony was the #2 reason. Sega itself is the #1 reason why Sega failed imo.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. No.

Sega couldn't have done anything more right with the Dreamcast.

The Dreamcast was brilliant, but it was hardly the beginning of the end. Sega had damaged their cash reserves and their fanbase years before that. Sony killed the Saturn, too, but I'd like to hear you argue that Sega did everything right with that one.

[offyoutoddle]

I LOVED my dreamcast, but I can't see how Sega did it right with respect to the marketing of the console. It was the most fantastic machine and did have brilliant games, but it was not well marketed. Sponsoring a bloody football team. Half of the supporters probably didn't know what it was! If they had made a big launch on a football title (which I'm glad they didn't) it would have made a bit more sense. After that they probably didn't have enough cash to do the job right. So in fact, my arch nemesis football played a part in its demise also

Back on topic though, the Sony launch really was a bit of a shocker. Few units, few games. Not much of anything apart from Sony rhetoric. I just hope they've ramped up production by the time of the UK launch. I never bought a ps2 at launch time because of the ridiculous lengths you had to go to in finding one! (that and I was firmly a dreamcast fan at that point).

Still angry with Sony over its attitude in recent years (drm rootkits lik sang) so I really don't want to buy this console. I don't think I'd like to see Sony go bust, but I would like to see them suffer massive sales loss and for blueray to fall on its arse and for them to put two and two together and be a tincy bit less 'evil'

A more cynical person than me might wonder if they are controlling stock levels at a stupid low level to maintain interest. No, hold on, I do wonder.

[Mayhem]

Sega couldn't have done anything more right with the Dreamcast.

And I'll pretty much agree there. My point though has already been made by two others however: they were already a damaged company going into marketing it and it never enjoyed the success it actually deserved.

[Dio]

Sponsoring a bloody football team.

Sega had been sponsoring sport for a long time - the long-term association with Williams that led to Damon Hill's eyebrows being featured in Daytona, for example. Personally I'd have thought it was a good plan as long as it was combined with a top-quality football game...

As to Sony, it's in their interests to keep initial sales ramping up slowly but steadily if and only if there are production cost reductions on the imminent horizon. That policy can only be maintained as far as the middle of next year at the latest; they must be hitting big for next Christmas.

[[Feeblez]]

Resistance : Fall of Man review,

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=70094

Time to lock the thread and forget it ever happened?

[aureole]

Well, only if we use the 7's and 8's that the Wii games have been getting to shut down the Nintendo smugness thread...

[[Feeblez]]

Well, only if we use the 7's and 8's that the Wii games have been getting to shut down the Nintendo smugness thread...

No, that's entirely different, biased reviewers.

[Flabio]

Sega didn't just sponsor one footy team for the DC though, they sponsored loads. That can't have been good use of their marketing budget.