The Sony PS3 thread (apparently *still* obnoxious!)

[Snakey]

I don't think it's that smart a move for Sony

I'm pretty sure they're only doing it so that when the mod chips come around, they can say "no they're not for homebrew, you don't need them for that"

[Roobarb]

I thought it was all about the games?

Talking of which, http://uk.ps3.ign.com/index/release.html

December 31,2006 Go! Sudoku 2 [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Puzzle
December 31,2006 Lemmings 2 [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Puzzle
March 07,2007 NHL 2K7 [UK] Take-Two Interactive Sports
March 16,2007 Resistance: Fall of Man [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Shooter
March 30,2007 Unreal Tournament 2007 [UK] Midway Games Shooter
March 30,2007 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas [UK] Ubisoft Shooter
March 30,2007 Fatal Inertia [UK] KOEI Racing Action
March 30,2007 MotorStorm [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Racing
March 30,2007 Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII [UK] Ubisoft Flight
March 30,2007 Marvel: Ultimate Alliance [UK] Activision Action RPG
March 30,2007 John Woo Presents Stranglehold [UK] Midway Games Action Adventure
March 31,2007 Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway [UK] Ubisoft Shooter
March 31,2007 Formula One Championship Edition [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Racing
March 31,2007 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The [UK] Ubisoft RPG
October 19,2007 Grand Theft Auto IV [UK] Rockstar Games Action Adventure
December 30,2007 Fall of Liberty [UK] Codemasters Shooter
December 30,2007 DICE Project #1 [untitled] [UK] Electronic Arts Action
December 30,2007 Clive Barker's Jericho [UK] Codemasters Action
December 31,2007 Avalon [UK] *TBA Action
December 31,2007 Pterodon FPS Project [untitled] [UK] *TBA Shooter
December 31,2007 Alone in the Dark [UK] Atari Adventure
December 31,2007 World Tour Soccer PS3 [Untitled] [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Sports
December 31,2007 WipEout PS3 [Untitled] [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Racing
December 31,2007 Colin McRae: DIRT [UK] Codemasters Racing
December 31,2007 SEGA Rally Revo [UK] SEGA Racing
December 31,2007 World Snooker Championship 2007 [UK] SEGA Sports
December 31,2007 Codename: Panzers Next-Gen [untitled] [UK] 10Tacle Studios Action Simulation
December 31,2007 Parabellum [UK] *TBA Shooter
December 31,2007 Beowulf [UK] *TBA Action Adventure
December 31,2007 Heavenly Sword [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Action
December 31,2007 Redwood Falls [UK] *TBA Shooter
December 31,2007 Haze [UK] Ubisoft Shooter
December 31,2007 Killzone PS3 [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Shooter
December 31,2007 Metro 2033: The Last Refuge [UK] *TBA Shooter March 30,2008 Wall, The [UK] Play Ten Interactive (PTI) Shooter
August 31,2008 Beijing 2008 [UK] SEGA Sports
December 31,2009 Omikron KARMA [UK] Adventure

I see very little reason to get excited about the PS3 until 2008.

TIME magazine's take on the PS3 launch: http://www.time.com/time/business/artic ... 35,00.html

[Dio]

And in that respect they do have a point. I'm always a fan of companies that at least make the effort to struggle towards the moral high ground on the modchip issue.

[gravy]

I don't think it's that smart a move for Sony

I'm pretty sure they're only doing it so that when the mod chips come around, they can say "no they're not for homebrew, you don't need them for that"

Could well be and to be honest that's a fair point.

I honestly thought when it became possible that people could do home brew dev for the XBOX we'd see a slew of games coming out on the machine.

But it just wasn't the case, it's mostly XBMC and emulators.

PS3 is up to both of those tasks with linux installed and the only real reason for chipping will be piracy.

If Sony is letting people have the functionality they want out of their machine so they can stamp down on the pirates then that's a good thing IMHO.

It's probably something more stupid to be honest, like LINUX rating as geek chic in some horribly misguided focus group and marketing insisting on its inclusion

EDIT

Spot on Dio

[Yak]

Ah, good, there *will* be Wipeout then. And I assume all those Dec 2007 dates are really probably just "q4 2k7" dates at least.

So, some time next year then, as I've said all along .

[gravy]

December 31,2007 Heavenly Sword [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Action

Man, that project's been running for AGES

[Rod_S]

I thought it was all about the games?

Well no, it's also about the media features, online functionality and Linux support isn't it.

Talking of which, http://uk.ps3.ign.com/index/release.html

December 31,2006 Go! Sudoku 2 [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Puzzle
December 31,2006 Lemmings 2 [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Puzzle
March 07,2007 NHL 2K7 [UK] Take-Two Interactive Sports
March 16,2007 Resistance: Fall of Man [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Shooter
March 30,2007 Unreal Tournament 2007 [UK] Midway Games Shooter
March 30,2007 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas [UK] Ubisoft Shooter
March 30,2007 Fatal Inertia [UK] KOEI Racing Action
March 30,2007 MotorStorm [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Racing
March 30,2007 Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII [UK] Ubisoft Flight
March 30,2007 Marvel: Ultimate Alliance [UK] Activision Action RPG
March 30,2007 John Woo Presents Stranglehold [UK] Midway Games Action Adventure
March 31,2007 Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway [UK] Ubisoft Shooter
March 31,2007 Formula One Championship Edition [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Racing
March 31,2007 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The [UK] Ubisoft RPG
October 19,2007 Grand Theft Auto IV [UK] Rockstar Games Action Adventure
December 30,2007 Fall of Liberty [UK] Codemasters Shooter
December 30,2007 DICE Project #1 [untitled] [UK] Electronic Arts Action
December 30,2007 Clive Barker's Jericho [UK] Codemasters Action
December 31,2007 Avalon [UK] *TBA Action
December 31,2007 Pterodon FPS Project [untitled] [UK] *TBA Shooter
December 31,2007 Alone in the Dark [UK] Atari Adventure
December 31,2007 World Tour Soccer PS3 [Untitled] [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Sports
December 31,2007 WipEout PS3 [Untitled] [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Racing
December 31,2007 Colin McRae: DIRT [UK] Codemasters Racing
December 31,2007 SEGA Rally Revo [UK] SEGA Racing
December 31,2007 World Snooker Championship 2007 [UK] SEGA Sports
December 31,2007 Codename: Panzers Next-Gen [untitled] [UK] 10Tacle Studios Action Simulation
December 31,2007 Parabellum [UK] *TBA Shooter
December 31,2007 Beowulf [UK] *TBA Action Adventure
December 31,2007 Heavenly Sword [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Action
December 31,2007 Redwood Falls [UK] *TBA Shooter
December 31,2007 Haze [UK] Ubisoft Shooter
December 31,2007 Killzone PS3 [UK] Sony Computer Entertainment Shooter
December 31,2007 Metro 2033: The Last Refuge [UK] *TBA Shooter March 30,2008 Wall, The [UK] Play Ten Interactive (PTI) Shooter
August 31,2008 Beijing 2008 [UK] SEGA Sports
December 31,2009 Omikron KARMA [UK] Adventure

I see very little reason to get excited about the PS3 until 2008.

Just a hunch - this list of 35 games isn't the complete PS3 line-up until 2008. If you're looking for a reason to slate the PS3 you'll have to do better than that.

[gilesgoat]

So summarizing all that people want is:

a) a powerful small box that is not a "PC"
b) running Linux
c) with a nice media center on it
d) capable of HDTV res
e) maybe with some nice games on
f) highly customisable

1.) Get a nice box you prefer
2.) Paint/customise/mod it as you prefer
3.) Put inside the HW you think is the best
4.) Put the Linux version you think is the best
5.) Convince the Linux community that "this the standard you defined"

...

What happends is

1,2,3 you are unable to replicate it *exactly* N times
4 everyone will think "no mine is better" with this and that
5 basically because of 4 you'll never have two boxes the same
6 you'll be super flooded of updates/kernel revisions/patches/etc.
7 it will cost you money more than what you want to spend
8 it will be lot more work than what you expected and more than what
you are willing to carry on
9 despite a community full of people that claim they can do ANYTHING
with Linux you'll never find the application(s) that completely satisfy you
and does what you want
10 you won't have nor you'll be able to provide any kind of support
because it gets more messy than what you can handle
11 you can't have "quality control"
..

Moral ..

when too many people have too much access to stuff and can really
do whatever they want then you enter the realm of "there's not a standard
any more"

the thing you want is a cheap super powerful machine to mess with but
where someone writes nice stuff (that you can't do) for you

the people that make that stuff and that employed a lot of resources
(and money) want to be protected about their stuff and they don't want
to see all their IP and knowledge "fly away" for nothing

this 3 things are hard to be reasonably compromised and find an solution
that fits

probably the best can be done is a kind of "controlled envirronement SDK"
where you can do somethng "if you play by the rules", that is basically
the approach of XNA

If you want to do much more, then get the PC or prove me you are really
able to do something valuable and you are trustworty I can give you "more"

realise that things you do even if they can be technically done they often
have to face a number of legal issues you can't ignore, one thing is to do
a thing "home" another is to do a thing you spread around the world
to anybody, if you want "to play big" you have to play "according to the big rules" as well

finally, all you want to do now it's already doable .. if instead of a console
you look for a different box, you can't say "I can't do it", it's only that
"you don't want to do it that way" but you are focused only in one way

Does it make sense ?

[Snakey]

So summarizing all that people want is:

a) a powerful small box that is not a "PC"
b) running Linux

Yeah, not sure I get that. PCs run Linux. Why not use one?

[Roobarb]

Just a hunch - this list of 35 games isn't the complete PS3 line-up until 2008. If you're looking for a reason to slate the PS3 you'll have to do better than that.

Well I'm not going to base my purchase decision on vapourware which doesn't even have a tentative release date announced yet am I.

Based on available information today, 2008 looks like the time when the PS3 will have something worth paying £400 to play (i.e. by which time those games marked 'end of december 2007' have actually have been released).

As the man from Time said, right now it's all hype and no trousers, so stop fanboyin' me sonny

[gravy]

So summarizing all that people want is:

a) a powerful small box that is not a "PC"
b) running Linux

Yeah, not sure I get that. PCs run Linux. Why not use one?

Standardistaiom of HW is a massive plus for this sort of app, something you you don't have on PC. I suspect that's exactly the reason why the best media center out there right now seems to be the excellent (albeit noisy) XBMC rather than anything on PC under Windows or Linux

[[Feeblez]]

Does Rod_S work for EDGE by any chance?

EDGE have always had a, "EDGE are always right", attitude towards their readers, which i think is the reason many people gave up reading their pretentious ramblings years ago.

Nearly everything written in EDGE is a thinly veiled swipe at something or other. Whether that be the presence of boobies in games, or gushing praise of <X> to the expense of <Y>. Their writers always seem to have a higher agenda.

EDGE's usual take on objectivity is to give a little praise but then immeidately follow it up with a back handed comment, or the classic EDGE closing speil:

"... but wether <already pre-judged company/game> is able to achieve everything they have promised to deliver remains to be seen. We will surely be there to give you the definitive answer. And as usual EDGE's decision is final."

In this case the above method would have been much more appropriate. EDGE have tried to predict the future many times, which over the years has resulted in EGG on their collective face, not that they would ever admit to it of course. You see, EDGE's views are infallible, as they constantly like to remind their readers in their letters pages.

It is far too early to predict a 'winner', there is no point doing a review when only preview code is available, not that that has ever stopped magazines in the past.

And besides, who will win this war, (why does it always have to be a war?), is not about which is the better console on paper as we all know, or even which console has the better games.

Personally i am sick of people swallowing Sony bullshit and going, "mmmm, tastes gooood!", every time they release a new console. Then later the same people are wiping shit off their chin and hoping that no-one saw.

PS3 will most likely sell a lot more than Xbox360, it's a no brainer due to overwhelming brand loyalty. But that doesn't mean it should be worshipped unconditionally. False prophets should be questioned, or someting.

Anyway, sorry, not a fan of EDGE, even tho they did put my indie game in their magazine once.

Just a thought, i wonder if EDGE have NSJ tattooed on their knuckles?

[Feeblez]'s decision is final.

[Rod_S]

Does Rod_S work for EDGE by any chance?

No. I mentioned that they had a lead PS3 article and I was asked to post some of the details. Thanks for your question. 2/10.

[tufty]

So summarizing all that people want is:

a) a powerful small box that is not a "PC"
b) running Linux

Yeah, not sure I get that. PCs run Linux. Why not use one?

Not that at all.

Most people buying a PS3 aren't going to care that you can run linux on it. they just want a playstation, innit.

Some people are interested in running linux on PS3. Probably not because it is a PS3 over a PC, but because it's an exotic piece of hardware, and running linux on an exotic piece of hardware lets them code on an exotic piece of hardware. the people running linux on their PS3 will probably already have a PC running linux, and quite likely a Nokia 770 running linux, and...

Simon.

[Jimaroid]

Does Rod_S work for EDGE by any chance?

No. I mentioned that they had a lead PS3 article and I was asked to post some of the details. Thanks for your question. 2/10.

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