I think Snakey's maybe been making games for too long and can no-longer contemplate a world where games and consoles are used for enjoyment.tufty wrote:Oh, for fuck's sake. I give up, really. It's like wrestling jelly. First off, it's "PCs run linux, why not run it on a PC". When that's shot down, it's "you can't touch the hardware". And then "you can't touch the blu-ray discs". and now it's "that's all you can do with it".Snakey wrote:Well, as I said, it remains to be seen what people can do with it. See?
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The Sony PS3 thread (apparently *still* obnoxious!)
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The ability to run my own code / other interesting code (games / emulators / MC's etc) on a quiet box under my telly, without faffing around with compatibility issues etc, would == "Enjoyment" to me. That it's (currently) done via the medium of "Linux" is neither here or there.Snakey wrote:If "Linux" == "Enjoyment" to you, you really need to get a life.
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Yeah, but that's not what's being claimed, except by Giles when he goes off on one of his bi-weekly OSS rants. What has been said, repeatedly, by people like myself who might be interested in running linux on a PS3, and most probably in this thread, is that they are interested in running linux on it because it's got a cell processor. Pretty much pure geekishness, and not much else. Nobody is claiming that being able to boot linux or any other guest OS on the PS3 is going to be a major selling point, nobody is claiming that the PS3 is going to magically steal the desktop or server linux market. Just a few geeks who want to play (and who, as a byproduct, might produce some half-way-decent media box functionality, and who are almost guaranteed to make it emulation heaven, albeit probably without the extras that the 360 has in that respect - i.e. online scoreboards and the like).Snakey wrote:I said if people just want it to run linux, you can get a better PC for less that'll do a better job. True.
I don't think anyone claimed that they would be able to do anything under linux on a PS3 better than could be done under linux on a PC apart from write code for cell.That was "shot down" by claims you could do better on a PS3, although quite why anyone would bother when they can just run some pre-built linux software is beyond me.
As for "why anyone would bother"; why would anybody bother with homebrew? Why bother to write your own software when you can simply run what comes with your OS? Why does anyone bother doing anything? Why did Jeff start writing Vic-20 games, when he already had "Blue Meanies"?
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Don't give up yet, you've got another 21 posts to go.goatboy wrote:Good point. I give up.tufty wrote:Why does anyone bother doing anything?
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Ok, this is more like it.
Running MAME on it is as easy as running a pre-compiled Linux PPC binary. Doesn't show us anything given it'd run just as well on a far slower machine.
Yes, and that's very well understood. And without wishing to get the "oh for fucks sake" treatment one more time by people totally missing my point - do you even know that Linux is not just running under some sort of VM that doesn't even let you touch the cell stuff?tufty wrote:What has been said, repeatedly, by people like myself who might be interested in running linux on a PS3, and most probably in this thread, is that they are interested in running linux on it because it's got a cell processor. Pretty much pure geekishness, and not much else.
Running MAME on it is as easy as running a pre-compiled Linux PPC binary. Doesn't show us anything given it'd run just as well on a far slower machine.
tufty wrote:I don't think anyone claimed that they would be able to do anything under linux on a PS3 better than could be done under linux on a PC
So, yeah.in direct response to my actual question, Gravy wrote:Standardistaiom of HW is a massive plus for this sort of app, something you you don't have on PC
My point was more that there are adequate media player apps for Linux. People tend to write stuff of this nature when there is nothing really good available...tufty wrote:As for "why anyone would bother"; why would anybody bother with homebrew?
... like thattufty wrote:Why did Jeff start writing Vic-20 games, when he already had "Blue Meanies"?
Nothing is worth the effort you put into it.