The Sony PS3 thread (apparently *still* obnoxious!)

[HGFB]

Space Cowboys? What the fuck are they doing releasing Space Cowboys in HD? It was bad enough that it was released on DVD.

[gravy]

I think most of the titles out now are shit to be honest

I can't see the point of getting a Blu-Ray player until the discs are cheaper and you're getting some lovingly encoded movies like the Criterion Series ones on DVD

[andym00]

Yeah, apparently stand-alone HD-DVD players have a gig of RAM in them. They must need it for something.

Since contraptions like Toshiba HD-XA1 HD DVD (which has 1GB RAM) is just a PC running Linux under the bonnet it's not that surprising really.. And this size is common to the Toshiba line, dunno about others but I'd guess it's going to be similar..

Also take into account the persistent storage (in Blu Ray it's optional but by July 2007 it'll be 256MB minimum. In HD DVD it's mandatory minimum size is 128MB but Toshiba use 256MB) and then the required minimum of 64MB of cache to hold graphics, fonts, sounds, and XML files..

[Kronos]

Making general quotes to answer the general feel since my last post....

if you really don't want a PS3 or have no inclination to even believe it is a good machine simply because of the makers badge on it then really this isn't the thread for such people.

Well, tough titty Doesn't work like that does it? Or shall we create a "Wii is shit", "PS3 is shit" etc. threads too?
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Nope no need I'll just go and post what a pile of kiddy wank the Wii's games are and how the only games that even look next gen on the 360 are GoW and Lost Planet which isn't even out for half a year instead and save everyone the bandwidth of posting new threads

I think the whole PS3 vs 360 thing is a bit of a grey area

..except when it's people who are actually working with both machines telling you what they think, surely?

Not really, they're quite different to code for, it's like getting an ST programmer to tell you what the best performance you could get out of the Amiga is, not going to be known for atleast another year of experience coding for the PS3 because doing a launch title for the PS3 and a 2nd wave title for the 360 is not really a good comparison to make, especially as Insomniac managed to out-do every first wave of FPS's on the 360 on their first attempt no? Certainly wouldn't want someone like EA coders telling me how good either console is when they haven't managed to do one graphically frame locked next gen game on either system apparently


Ok from the top, if you get a PS3 you get...

1. A games machine of equal or better performance than the 360 (comparing the crapness of both systems launch games relatively)

2. A Blu-Ray movie player

3. A Blu-Ray equiped computing box-o-tricks that will let you....
-write letters and do spreadsheets and other bullshit you do for non gaming PC stuff.
- surf the internet in an unrestricted manner same as the pc
- download and play AVIs MP3s etc etc
- anything else you can do with a cheap 100-150 quid PC/Mac
(which just happens to be what 90% of budget PCs are used for)

Trouble is a 360 is JUST a console (you can't even play DIVX/XVIDs on it so WANK!!)
A shite 300 odd quid budget PC will NEVER play an FPS like Resistance so I dont give a fuck how fast it runs office 2003 or any other PC package, who cares *meh*

Extra money but extra functionality, if all you want is to play games fair enough, there are still exclusive games the 360 or Wii will never see (like WRC games if that's your thing) but ultimately don't come in this thread and say "is that all it does"

It's main competition the 360 Premium + HD DVD drive will only play games and only play HD-DVDs so for the sake of 50 quid difference you're getting something that plays games and plays HD-DVDs...wow is that all it does *smug look*

As for fan noise on the 360, I don't think the console itself is that noisy, it's ok when I'm just on XBOX Live. Unless you mean the whailing banshee of a DVD drive....now that IS cheapening to first impressions of the console I agree.

[Duck Turkin]

I spose there aint much gloating here in reality cause no fuckers got one whereas we seem to have plenty of people here with 360s (obv) and Wii's.

Exactly, nicely put!

[swith]

hehe. Prolestation

[Dio]

A shite 300 odd quid budget PC will NEVER play an FPS like Resistance

Course it will, in two years time. You can play HL2 very nicely with a CPU, MB, memory, HD and CD that all cost £30 - only the graphics card costs more at £60-ish. Add in a case and power and that's well under £300.

And the 360 sounds like a jet engine to me. But then again I spend hundreds extra on PC's just to make them quieter.

[Darkflame]

2 years certainly, but maybe even sooner. Resistance dosnt look much better then stuff like Prey to me.
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The Xbox360 might not play Divx files, but its media functions actualy seem better then the PS3 from what I see.

Downloadable movies in SD and HD, the ability to rip music AND have it playing during your favorate games.
Both very nice functions, imo.
Not to mention, the HD movie downloads, while big, are completely resumable, and you can download in the background while playing.

In that respect the Xbox360 is acting more like a pc then the ps3 is.

Extra money but extra functionality, if all you want is to play games fair enough, there are still exclusive games the 360 or Wii will never see

And those two will have exclusive games the Xbox360 will never see.

Also, the Wii lets you surf the net unrestricted as well as do spreadsheets writing and other such stuff. (thank you google docs ).
That really isnt a big deal at all, and not really much in the ps3's favor.

The only dissapointed with the Wii really is the so-far rather crappy media format support.

[Roobarb]

Also, the Wii lets you surf the net unrestricted as well as do spreadsheets writing and other such stuff. (thank you google docs ).

Does Wii support a bluetooth keyboard?

[GrapeApe]

FFS...remember the fun old days when consoles were just used to play games.Bit ranty but Ive got stereos and dvd players that do all that other stuff perfectly fine, thankyewverymuch.

I've got visions of Sony zombies asking their mates "If they have played that Linux yet on their PS3's"

And anyone who thinks that the sixaxis is the best version of the playstation controller so far, doesn't deserve to have hands.

[mightyzim]

Hold on a sec

There's quite a few VC-1 and and AVC discs out there now.

Blazing Saddles, Firewall, and Lethal Weapon. A further 6 VC-1 encoded titles, Tim Burton's Corpse Bride, Swordfish, Space Cowboys, The Fugitive, Lethal Weapon 2, and House of Wax are all VC-1

Dinosaur and Eight Below from Disney are AVC.

Based on that and that you can't call a Blu-ray player a blu-ray player unless it supports those codecs I'd say the PS3 does.

Are you saying (well not just you) that as well as format, B-ray vs HDDVD, i would have to check codex as well on each disk??

[Darkflame]

I think its crazy to spend so much effort switching to a new disc format , yet keep a (by todays standards) very crapy codec.

And anyone who thinks that the sixaxis is the best version of the playstation controller so far, doesn't deserve to have hands.

Well, lack of rumble sucks.
But the playstation controll pad is flawed anyway imo.
eg.
90% of games do not have 4 equaly important buttons!
The vaste majority have an action button of some sort ,and the other buttons are secondary.
Their sizes and positions should reflect this, with the main button being slap bang in the center of "thumb nutral"

[Roobarb]

Every player will support every codec supported by the format. Don't worry about it. What the source material and how much attention was paid to the encoder settings to optimise quality are the important things, but since you get what you're given it's a moot point really unless you're into 'special prints' kind of stuff.

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I think its crazy to spend so much effort switching to a new disc format , yet keep a (by todays standards) very crapy codec.

Well if you've got enough disc space it doesn't really matter what you use does it.

[Guru-Meditation]

Their sizes and positions should reflect this, with the main button being slap bang in the center of "thumb nutral"

We saw how well that worked for the CD32

[Darkflame]

not really:
http://www.amigau.com/aig/cd32_2.jpg
That red button is barely a bit bigger, and dosnt look very center-thumb to me.

This is a tad closer to how it should be:
http://www.electronicscout24.de/article ... 01694n.jpg

Of course, much argument could go over the positions and types of secondary buttons, but I dont see the rational for the standard
"Snes style" pad layout still being around.