Typhoon 2001

The Caffeine Kid · Post by **The Caffeine Kid** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:59 am 0

Can't get me head around that sorry - but nay mind.

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:01 am 0

Don't try, TCK. You'll just hurt yerself.

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:07 am 0

This is so why I want SG to be SG and not just Tempest 4K or whatever. I mean I am sure that these guys' motive is cool, and it's a homage or whatever, and from what I saw of the shots it looks competent, but to me it's like someone walking on your grave, fiddling with the old designs. I get really antsy about it. I learned that well from the George Bray experience, having his bloody head appear in Ancipital was one of the squickiest things ever.

T2K was a special thing to me. I guess I also feel badly about things based on that since Tempest X, where basically they ripped off my design *just* enough to avoid actually having to credit me or give me any royalties or anything, and that guy a few years ago who came on here and asked me if it bothered me cloning T2K, and I said yes actually it did, and who just fucking went ahead and did it anyway.

As far as I am concerned all my stuff is still attached to me, i may one day reqork it to the point where it's way beyond what the original was (GR__ being an example) but it's still mine, and if anyone does stuff to it it should be me.

That's why I want SG to be moving away from Tempest/TxK, since people seem to start to be inclined to remake that stuff. And remake my stuff when I'm dead, please. Not before. It freaks me out.

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:08 am 0

I think that the moral of the story is "that is always better to step into
different directions", I think if you are the original author of something
re-elaborate a concept and evolve it is just "a natural thing".

It's your stuff, you work on it.

Any other thing made by someone else on the same thing/concept can
be always seen "as a kind of clone" and/or yes it's a re-elaboration but
we can't say "it's such an original idea" unless the modifications introduced
are such to make the game significantly different.

Certainly I think one thing is to get the idea of "shooter game" or "fps"
and work on it creating different stuff, another is "rewamp the graphic of some stuff".

I think when you do stuff like that, if you want to be "polite" get in touch
with the original author of the stuff could not be a bad idea.

It's not valid just in games it's a concept that applies in lot of stuff.

Mah .. I think .. one can always have some reasons not to be completely
happy when things like those happend.

They happend anywhere anyway.

The Caffeine Kid · Post by **The Caffeine Kid** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:14 am 0

Bog wrote:Don't try, TCK. You'll just hurt yerself.

I think you are right

* caff zips his mouth shut.

guythp · Post by **guythp** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:24 am 0

That's what I meant when I referred to tsunami 2010

adam · Post by **adam** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:08 pm 0

yeah it's been happening to me a bit lately... latest one is someone who's got thousands from the arts council to make a film which looks like a total rip off of one of mine (gave her a dvd last year)... makes my blood boil... still, suppose i must be doing something right if i'm being copied

The Caffeine Kid · Post by **The Caffeine Kid** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:36 pm 0

adam wrote:i must be doing something right if i'm being copied

Indeed.

adam · Post by **adam** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:51 pm 0

thank you sir...

bgudna · Post by **bgudna** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:26 pm 0

Yak that really sucks that you didnÂ´t get any royalties from tempest x, and quite strange to me, cause your name is in the manual and they did include tempest 2000.

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:46 pm 0

T2K was only available as a secret unlockable (unlocked by entering the word YIFF into the high score table, of all things!). The reason for the changes I had right from the horse's mouth when I spoke to the guy who did the convcersion a few years ago. It was changed from T2K primarily to "reduce the royalty burden" - namely, to cut me out of the deal

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gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:50 pm 0

Sounds very dodgy (and in fact is is).

[edit] I wonder how some people sleep at nights, they should not even show
their faces around.

The Caffeine Kid · Post by **The Caffeine Kid** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:40 pm 0

adam wrote:thank you sir...

You are more than welcome.

Glyndwr · Post by **Glyndwr** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:41 pm 0

Yak wrote:T2K was only available as a secret unlockable (unlocked by entering the word YIFF into the high score table, of all things!). The reason for the changes I had right from the horse's mouth when I spoke to the guy who did the convcersion a few years ago. It was changed from T2K primarily to "reduce the royalty burden" - namely, to cut me out of the deal .

I don't really know the history of your Tempest work too well, is this documented officially anywhere (yet?)

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:46 pm 0

Glyndwr wrote:
Yak wrote:T2K was only available as a secret unlockable (unlocked by entering the word YIFF into the high score table, of all things!). The reason for the changes I had right from the horse's mouth when I spoke to the guy who did the convcersion a few years ago. It was changed from T2K primarily to "reduce the royalty burden" - namely, to cut me out of the deal .
I don't really know the history of your Tempest work too well, is this documented officially anywhere (yet?)

Nah, that's just what I was told when I spoke to the guy who did the conversion. I don't think he got anything for doing it either, IIRC he said he more or less did it for free to get his toe in the door with Interplay or whoever it was did the ps1 version.

The result was a game that was quite pretty but insipid to play. They took out all the character and left bugger all behind.