The Sony PS3 thread (apparently *still* obnoxious!)

[barry]

Now, you made a well worded and thoughtful argument and were careful to indicate where things were just rumours (we're still on the internet, right?! ). But the summary / vibe was still:

Sony: Rumours are likely to be true - they'll probably fuck us over.
Nintendo: Rumours are just rumours - they're unlikely to do anything like this.



I know you're not having a go at Sony or anything, but it just seems that every second post in this thread has to have either overtones or undertones of Sony bashing. Which is just a bit unsporting. Maybe someone could invent a robot wars style add-on for each console and they could fight it out to the death.

Anyway, got to go and play Gears since I have to wait fucking ages for my PS3

[fog]

Ninty have already hinted there will be additional Zelda content and I'd be surprised if they weren't already working on it.

....As for the mention of Zelda add-ons, Im doughtfull.
If it was planed as a Wii-title from the ground up, there might be an add-on, (like the 64DD had planned).I dont think they had the time or the will to be "hocks" into this cube-wii game however.
Zelda isnt the easiet game in the world to insert stuff into.

Also, the rumour seemed to come from nowhere but a few fans...cant even find a quote by Nintendo that even remotely hints.

This do you?

According to Nintendo of America's George Harrison, Nintendo plan to support Twilight Princess with downloadable content, such as additional 'levels'.

http://n-europe.com/news.php?nid=9718

Seems pretty straight forward to add extra dungeon quests to me in the same way as they did with Oblivion.

[Yak]

I think the main reason there's a fair bit of anti-Sony feeling is that they constantly tell us how great they are and how we'll suck up whatever they produce regardless, whilst simultaneously giving us the royal shaft. Given that attitude it's not surprising that people take the piss a bit when they fuck up with the PSP, fuck up again with the launch of ps3, and come out with a machine that's very much on a par with the x360 instead of a gajillion lightyears in advance as they'd have us believe.

I am sure many of those who do take the piss will still end up with a ps3; it's not a *bad* machine, and once some decent games are out and the silly shortages cease it'll be worth having as a matter of course for most gamers. But it isn't the Jesus of consoles; there will be no rivers of piss; it'll have some great games for sure, but then again so will the 360 and the Wii .

[Deckard]

I think the main reason there's a fair bit of anti-Sony feeling is that they constantly tell us how great they are and how we'll suck up whatever they produce regardless, whilst simultaneously giving us the royal shaft. Given that attitude it's not surprising that people take the piss a bit when they fuck up with the PSP, fuck up again with the launch of ps3, and come out with a machine that's very much on a par with the x360 instead of a gajillion lightyears in advance as they'd have us believe.

I am sure many of those who do take the piss will still end up with a ps3; it's not a *bad* machine, and once some decent games are out and the silly shortages cease it'll be worth having as a matter of course for most gamers. But it isn't the Jesus of consoles; there will be no rivers of piss; it'll have some great games for sure, but then again so will the 360 and the Wii .

Amen, I would be very surprised if I dont have a PS3 by this time next year.

[fog]

But it isn't the Jesus of consoles; there will be no rivers of piss;

Just a biblical torrent of Wii.

[Bubba]

Amen, I would be very surprised if I dont have a PS3 by this time next year.

Yeah, agreed Although I'm not going to be in the market for a PS3 until the price gets more sensible - the 360 was expensive enough! Unless it can show that it really can do things the 360 can't then perhaps it is worth the extra dosh. But I haven't seen anything yet which makes me believe this to be true.

Cheers

Bubba

[offyoutoddle]

Amen, I would be very surprised if I dont have a PS3 by this time next year.

Yeah, agreed Although I'm not going to be in the market for a PS3 until the price gets more sensible - the 360 was expensive enough! Unless it can show that it really can do things the 360 can't then perhaps it is worth the extra dosh. But I haven't seen anything yet which makes me believe this to be true.

Cheers

Bubba

Maybe a price drop of the 360 is in the offing soon - the wii is a lot lower in price, and MS may need to rethink. Plus there were rumors of a price drop anyway weren't there?

Once the 360 price comes down, the ps3 won't stay highly priced in all probability either.

[Deckard]

Amen, I would be very surprised if I dont have a PS3 by this time next year.

Yeah, agreed Although I'm not going to be in the market for a PS3 until the price gets more sensible - the 360 was expensive enough! Unless it can show that it really can do things the 360 can't then perhaps it is worth the extra dosh. But I haven't seen anything yet which makes me believe this to be true.

Cheers

Bubba

Maybe a price drop of the 360 is in the offing soon - the wii is a lot lower in price, and MS may need to rethink. Plus there were rumors of a price drop anyway weren't there?

Once the 360 price comes down, the ps3 won't stay highly priced in all probability either.

Trouble is the bloody thing aint out here till April - cant see an immediate price drop after that, maybe by xmas it might be below 300.

[offyoutoddle]

Trouble is the bloody thing aint out here till April - cant see an immediate price drop after that, maybe by xmas it might be below 300.

No, perhaps not, but it may put them under pressure to not ask silly money over here. UK pricing isn't set in stone yet I'll wager.

[Dio]

Maybe a price drop of the 360 is in the offing soon - the wii is a lot lower in price, and MS may need to rethink. Plus there were rumors of a price drop anyway weren't there?

Once the 360 price comes down, the ps3 won't stay highly priced in all probability either.

The analysts' rumour mill now reckons Microsoft are making $75 profit on every 360 sold, while Sony are still biting a large loss. A 360 price drop will wait a decent while after Chrimbo to stop people feeling they're being milked, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see something in the spring.

The PS3 price here won't change between launch and Christmas. To do so would be a huge admission of misreading the market - you can't set a high price for the quiet summer period and a low price for the busy period.

[gilesgoat]

Now, you made a well worded and thoughtful argument and were careful to indicate where things were just rumours (we're still on the internet, right?! ). But the summary / vibe was still:

Sony: Rumours are likely to be true - they'll probably fuck us over.
Nintendo: Rumours are just rumours - they're unlikely to do anything like this.



I know you're not having a go at Sony or anything, but it just seems that every second post in this thread has to have either overtones or undertones of Sony bashing. Which is just a bit unsporting. Maybe someone could invent a robot wars style add-on for each console and they could fight it out to the death.

Anyway, got to go and play Gears since I have to wait fucking ages for my PS3

And why we should not have a go at Sony ?

We can fuck have some reasons to have it.

As Yak said is no doubt that the PS3 is a good piece of HW but it's the
whole campaign and the way Sony put down the whole thing that is irritating
and/or quite "pompous".

The whole point is: the way they presented the thing and the way they
did all the possible to smash down the 360.

This, in my opinion, is not acceptable, I don't accept it I can't say
"Sony did good in doing this", hell no.

I think it's fair to state characteristics and such and of course "sweet
up" a LITTLE bit the things ..

But the fact is here we had a "huge fanfare" of stuff with IMHO quite
a bit of arrogance that basically comes out from presenting stuff
based on "unexhistent stuff" and pretending "it's the most powerful
because is Sony".

That, as I said many times "it's not enough" and "it's not the right
way to do".

That the PS3 is a nice piece of HW it probably is, anyway so far I would
not buy one because I think it's worth wait to: a) see more stuff coming
out for it, b) leave them fix the problems they have, c) see how the thing
evolves a bit first.

In my opinon "Sony has to change some of its policies a bit", this I am
saying it, so far I think they don't project and immensely good image of themselves
with this "ultra attitude" to be "the number one" for reasons that
are not completely clear nor convincing.

Personally I am seeing the PSP .. nice HW .. but at the end of the day
with a number of flaws and "not so convincing" me at all.

At this point I need "more facts" to be convinced about a PS3 than just
"because it's Sony", sorry guys but your name is not enough.

[Darkflame]

Sony: Rumours are likely to be true - they'll probably fuck us over.
Nintendo: Rumours are just rumours - they're unlikely to do anything like this.

No, I said its unlikely to be true FOR ZELDA because
a) The game genra dosnt fit very well for extra content
and
b) It was designed as a cube title.

You can read Nintendo bias into that if you like, but the Zelda downloadable rumour seems quite illogical, imo.

[Darkflame]

Ninty have already hinted there will be additional Zelda content and I'd be surprised if they weren't already working on it.

....As for the mention of Zelda add-ons, Im doughtfull.
If it was planed as a Wii-title from the ground up, there might be an add-on, (like the 64DD had planned).I dont think they had the time or the will to be "hocks" into this cube-wii game however.
Zelda isnt the easiet game in the world to insert stuff into.

Also, the rumour seemed to come from nowhere but a few fans...cant even find a quote by Nintendo that even remotely hints.

This do you?

According to Nintendo of America's George Harrison, Nintendo plan to support Twilight Princess with downloadable content, such as additional 'levels'.

http://n-europe.com/news.php?nid=9718

Seems pretty straight forward to add extra dungeon quests to me in the same way as they did with Oblivion.

Anyone have this issue of "gamepro" because it still sounds bullshit to me, seeing as its quite major thing, and theres only one source.

And its not really straightforward, where do you "insert" an enterance to a dungeon that isnt there to start with?
Zelda is completely seamless.
Ocarina was at least designed with some hocks for a never-released add-on. TP wouldnt have been, because its a cube game.

You also got a problem that zelda isnt an rpg, it isnt about stat-building, its about item collection.
Each dungeon is accessed by typicaly having the new item from the last dungeon. Fitting a new dungoen in would break this "chain".

I wouldnt say its impossible; They could have a door in town locked, that suddenly leads to a new dungeon, or maybe a split in a "loading the next bit corridoor".
But it would look like a hack job unless designed in advance.

If Nintendo are going to do downloadable content, Mario Kart would be a obvious choice. Or even Mario Galaxy. (I assume it would be a hub system like the two previous games...adding a new painting isnt hard)

[Darkflame]

yes, thought so:

Update! Whilst looking at the original interview, we can reveal that some information was mis-understood. No online or downloadable component for Twilight Princess appears to be confirmed as in the works. Sorry, folks.

http://n-europe.com/news.php?nid=9718



I think what would work...downloadable content for a Zelda Four-swords game. That would be nice and modular, and could be quite entertaining...DS Link-up, as well as even custom designed/exchangable levels?

[Hajile]

it just seems that every second post in this thread has to have either overtones or undertones of Sony bashing.

And why we should not have a go at Sony ?

We can fuck have some reasons to have it...

[blah blah blah]

Personally I am seeing the PSP .. nice HW .. but at the end of the day
with a number of flaws and "not so convincing" me at all.

At this point I need "more facts" to be convinced about a PS3 than just
"because it's Sony", sorry guys but your name is not enough.

You're wrong, Barry - it took a whole nine posts for someone to go off on a big anti-Sony rant this time.

Maybe we're all mellowing...