The Sony PS3 thread (apparently *still* obnoxious!)

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teamonkey wrote:
Roobarb wrote:Nowhere in Nintendo's branding does the DS refer to Gameboy, nor have i ever heard anyone not 'in the know' refer to a 'DS' as a 'Gameboy'. The only thing in common is Nintendo.
It doesn't need to be branded a Gameboy to be called a Gameboy. For many non-gamers the DS is a "Gameboy" because they think it means "handheld games console". I've heard friends and family call it that, I've heard confused parents in Game, even when referring to the PSP. I can understand why Nintendo wanted to get away from the "boy" part of it, but it's still a very powerful brand.
Well if that's all Sony has going for it
Eh?

A mum wants her kid to stop playing games and have some dinner, she tells him to "stop playing on his playstation" irrespective of what kind of console it is. "Playstation" and "Gameboy" are powerful household names. "Xbox" is getting there. "GameCube" never did, "Wii" may do.

And it's not simply because it's the biggest selling product either. How long has it been since Hoover and Xerox were brand leaders? The Gameboy hasn't been the biggest seller compared to the DS for a year, yet the average person in the street wouldn't immediately know what you mean if you said "DS" or even "Nintendo DS" (though they might have a clue that it was to do with computer ga1mes).
I don't disagree with what you're saying; Game Boy® and PlayStation® are well recognised video games brands.

They will never be as generic as 'Hoover' or 'Walkman' though, as Sony and Nintendo protect them as Trade Marks. So you won't see them in the OED as nouns for 'portable console' and 'home console'. Xerox® also did this and I don't hear many people using the term 'xerox' instead of 'photocopy' these days. Same thing with Rollerblade®: instead of using the term as a generic, publications have to the use the term "in-line skating", and this affects how commonly the term is used by the general public. Google is also following the same tack. Unless Nintendo revives the Game Boy® brand, I doubt it will be anywhere near as well recognised in 5 years time as it is today.

That Nintendo managed to launch a highly successful portable console (DS) without using the Game Boy® brand name clearly shows that whilst brand names do have value (companies would not spend so much money on them otherwise), they are not the be all and end all of a product's success by any means. This is especially true in a market that by its very nature is highly cyclical, with each new generation of product providing a huge opportunity for a competitor to usurp the market leader.

By far the biggest factors affecting success, regarding mass market console sales, are price and choice of games (especially big-hitting exclusives). PS3 has so far failed on both counts. If Sony don't sort this out the PlayStation® brand name certainly won't save them.
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Not sure about that. Xerox is far more popular than 'photocopy' as a synonym in the states. And I would never in a million years have thought that 'rollerblade' was actually a trademark, or used the phrase 'inline skating'.
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Dio wrote:Not sure about that. Xerox is far more popular than 'photocopy' as a synonym in the states. And I would never in a million years have thought that 'rollerblade' was actually a trademark, or used the phrase 'inline skating'.
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Well they manage to argue their trade marks are not generics in the courts, so i guess they're not as overwhelmingly popular as e.g. Hoover and Walkman.

A quick googlefight generally agrees with this:
Hoover vs vacuum cleaner: 28M vs 1.4M results.
Walkman vs portable cassette player: 18M vs 1.4M results.
Xerox vs photocopy: 46M vs 11M results.
Rollerblade vs in-line skate: 2M vs 1.7M results.
Playstation vs games console: 156M vs 59M results.
Game Boy vs games console: 123M vs 59M results.
Nintendo DS vs games console: 69M vs 59M results.
Nintendo vs games console: 144M vs 59M results.
Xbox vs games console: 193M vs 59M results.

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I always wondered why they didn't just call it "GameBoy DS".
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Because that would be stupid. :lol:

Gameboy Dual, on the other hand, would be perfect, imo.

(refering to both the screens and the multiplayer)

nah, seriously, it was just they didnt want to risk the Gameboy Brand.
Nintendo didnt have enough confidence in their own idea to risk it at the time.
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Darkflame wrote:Nintendo didnt have enough confidence in their own idea to risk it at the time.
And quite possibly a wise idea! Had lots of publishers turned round and started producing exclusivly for the PSP, giving it the edge in software as well as hardware then maybe we'd all be playing a different gameboy right now :)

Luckily for them, publishers produced some fantastic DS titles compared to the utter wank that has largely been present on the PSP. Combined with a complete marketing failure in the UK (now there's a giant P!nk & PSP poster up at the bus stop here with not a single mention of any games whatsoever) then the PSP vs DS "war" is pretty much done and dusted.

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Marius wrote:I always wondered why they didn't just call it "GameBoy DS".
I guess that having "Boy" in the name of a product is not a good idea when you want the product to be non-gender targeted.
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(now there's a giant P!nk & PSP poster up at the bus stop here with not a single mention of any games whatsoever)
Yup, one I walk past often too.
Utterly stupid poster all around really.
And quite possibly a wise idea! Had lots of publishers turned round and started producing exclusivly for the PSP, giving it the edge in software as well as hardware then maybe we'd all be playing a different gameboy right now
Indeed.
If the DS wasnt a success, Nintendo could have brushed it off with "Well, it wasnt truely the next Gameboy....this is"

I am very curious to see what the next portable from them is.
Im confident both Nintendo, Sony and anyone else joining the portable hardware will be adding touchscreens from now on. Theres little downside really.
But will Nintendo persue a Wii/DS idology again...making there next portable also working using a fundimentaly different controll? Inbuilt motion controll or, AR, (I wish).
Or will they do a DS+Gamecube type thing, Im sure they could make a portable cube without much struggle now.

Of course, this is 4 years away judgeing by current DS sales ;)
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matt303 wrote:
Marius wrote:I always wondered why they didn't just call it "GameBoy DS".
I guess that having "Boy" in the name of a product is not a good idea when you want the product to be non-gender targeted.
I'm sure that's it. If they wanted to keep the DS separate but felt that they could keep the "boy" they'd've called it the GameBoy DS or some other variation. I'm pretty sure we've seen the last of the GameBoy brand, except in relation to exisiting GameBoy lines.
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Stone wrote:Team Executer claim it's possible to play games off the HDD...and they've put a 750GB disk in it 8O *snip*
Is anyone honestly surprised?

- It's possible to put Linux on the machine, DeCSS anyone?
- They were doing this with the PSP and a memory stick. A freaking memory stick!
passplay> is anyone else sitting with their balls gently nestled in a bowl of red jello?
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matt303 wrote:
Marius wrote:I always wondered why they didn't just call it "GameBoy DS".
I guess that having "Boy" in the name of a product is not a good idea when you want the product to be non-gender targeted.
Gameperson? Gameindividual? Gameboyorgirl?

I see what you mean. :)
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teamonkey wrote:
matt303 wrote:
Marius wrote:I always wondered why they didn't just call it "GameBoy DS".
I guess that having "Boy" in the name of a product is not a good idea when you want the product to be non-gender targeted.
I'm sure that's it. If they wanted to keep the DS separate but felt that they could keep the "boy" they'd've called it the GameBoy DS or some other variation.
Dought it, because the variations are still risking the gameboy brand.

Gameboy DS is just, like Gameboy Advance, or Gameboy colour.
If anything with Gameboy in the title flopped, it would have been harder for them to recover.

eg.
A flopped Nintendo DS, and then bringing out "Gameboy Ultra" would seem like two different product lines.

But a flopped "Gameboy DS" and then bringing out "Gameboy Ultra" would be admiting the first was a major failure ,imo.

Nintendo DS was a way to give it is "third pillar" status, which vanished the second it was successfull.
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Darkflame wrote:Because that would be stupid. :lol:

Gameboy Dual, on the other hand, would be perfect, imo.

(refering to both the screens and the multiplayer)
Gameboy Duel surely?

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Sony say Wii is more fun than PS3

“The Wii-type functionality is more just a sub-element of what the PlayStation 3 offers. Wii is a core gaming device. It’s a more fun, intuitive sort of product to pick up, where the PS3 is a broader entertainment solution; so you can have your fun, enjoyable gaming … but then you have a whole suite of other applications … such as Blu-ray media playback, the ability to access your music, access your photos and the interoperability with the PlayStation Portable. Gamers are extremely aware of what they’re after and what they want. So gamers will already have a very good understanding of what PlayStation 3 offers versus what Wii offers and many of them will probably have both devices.” - Nic Foster, general manager for Sony Australia & New Zealand




Yes, I did post it in the Wii thread, but I couldn't resist posting it in the PS3 'superiority' thread too.
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