Component vs composite on the Wii

matt303 · Post by **matt303** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:27 pm 0

That's very good upscaling on that TV, will have to take a look at the new Tosh WLT68 range.

Tuur · Post by **Tuur** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:28 pm 0

I'll see what happens on my projector. When I eventually get my system...

PumaG · Post by **PumaG** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:32 pm 0

HDTV panels are always going to be a compromise when running anything outside of native.

As an experiment, try lowering the res on your PC if you have an LCD, mine can go down one notch, after that it looks aweful, yet the Xbox 360 looks fine even at 640x480 due to its internal scaler.

Mele · Post by **Mele** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:43 pm 0

Tuur wrote:I'll see what happens on my projector. When I eventually get my system...

Mine isnt that great to be honest , but even if the graphics are a bit fuzzy its minor negative to be playing bowling on a 86 inch screen

If the wii could have done 720p/1080p I would have died and gone to heaven .

disciple · Post by **disciple** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:48 pm 0

PumaG wrote:Your TV doesnt do interlaced, it has a good convertor.

matt303 wrote:That's very good upscaling on that TV,

Interesting so you're saying that the interlaced through composite is significantly shitter it's just my telly is being clever and sorting it on the fly so that the end result is quite close to 480p through component?

Is so I feel a bit better about this.

You could argue then why bother feeding it component but I guess it's always better to give a telly progressive signal to reduce processing lag?

matt303 wrote:will have to take a look at the new Tosh WLT68 range.

I was lucky enough to get it half price due to an amazon misprice which amazon kindly honoured.

PumaG · Post by **PumaG** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:16 pm 0

disciple wrote:
PumaG wrote:Your TV doesnt do interlaced, it has a good convertor.

matt303 wrote:That's very good upscaling on that TV,
Interesting so you're saying that the interlaced through composite is significantly shitter it's just my telly is being clever and sorting it on the fly so that the end result is quite close to 480p through component?

Is so I feel a bit better about this.

There are a lot of factors going on, I think internally video games use RGB, and digital

so it has to be converted to analogue Composite or Component and then back to digital again by the TV, and upscaled to the native res or I could be wrong

Are there any TV engineers on here who can explain better?

Ideal scenario , Wii outputs digital video signal using top quality cable and LCD or Plasma has resolution to match Wii perfectly, what about those new fangled TVs, OLED etc? Maybe they will end the arguments about cables after all these years

hairy_pete · Post by **hairy_pete** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:07 pm 0

'fraid it won't. See also: $99 "high fidelity gold plated" DVI cables

Al · Post by Al » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:39 pm 0

Tuur wrote:Fair enough. Anyway, like HGFB said, it should be more obvious on old, bright games...

I can't stand composite though.

It's less the brightness (although that probably does make a difference) but the fact that old 2D games are tearing along at a constant 60Hz (or 50Hz for most VC examples in Europe

) will show up the interlacing far more than a modern 3D game - indeed as most of the latter run at 30Hz you shouldn't notice the interlacing at all (except maybe as slight image instability).

I didn't really notice the interlacing on the Wii over composite until I bought Gunstar Heroes - on that it's everywhere! Getting the component cable and running at 480p made a big difference.

matt · Post by **matt** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:13 pm 0

I agree it depends on your upscaling, and your is pretty good.

For me the easiest way to spot the difference is to look at the pinstripe pattern on the button bar. (behind the start button)

480i - jagged

480p - straight

Roobarb · Post by **Roobarb** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:50 pm 0

We don't have a TV that fancy it can use component, but the offical RGB scart cable finally arrived yesterday, and on our widescreen Thomson Scenium CRT TV things are noticeably crisper than with the composite cable (much more of a difference than with disciple's TV).

Even so, there's not as much of a difference between RGB and composite as there was on the Gamecube. I guess the Wii has a very good composite output.

Marizu · Post by **Marizu** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:12 pm 0

I have all 3 of the cables and on my setup, they come in the following order.
Component (best)
RGB scart (mid)
Composite (a bit crap)

The RGB scart has a weird shadow at the top of the screen in Zelda for some reason.

I have one of the Dual 26" LCD's that only has scart, composite and VGAinput. I put the component throught a box from play asia (RIP) to get VGA but the box only works on progressive scan inputs (so no GC games through the component for me).

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:21 pm 0

Mah .. what to say ?

So far I am starting to note various things "if I look too deeply", recently
I think I saw that even the 360 (or maybe it's not the 360 at all) in
some circumstances seems to display a little "HF noise" all around, you
have to look for it to see it but it's there.

About the Wii .. hmm ..

Probably "that's it", I mean I don't think you have a "super video quality"
out of it.

fog · Post by **fog** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:24 pm 0

I'm just using composite and TBH as far as the Wii is concerned I'm more than happy to stick with that. Apart from some slightly blurry smaller text it looks fine to me.

It might even help hide some of the Wii's shortcomings.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:27 pm 0

For the Wii, the difference has been less noticable compared to Nintendo's previous console... not sure why yet though... the composite on the Wii looks almost as good as the RGB I'm getting out of the Cube.

Cripper · Post by **Cripper** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:28 pm 0

I have a 42wlt66 connected to a wii via an official component cable. It is a noticeably better (sharper) picture than composite. The composite picture was good to start with on this tv.

The sw1000 subwoofer really helps the sound on this tv. They are cheap on ebay (Â£70)