So will you be buying a PS3 on launch day?

DarkElf · Post by **DarkElf** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:51 am 0

Oh no! (just like the lemming's last shout before exploding)

Kamineko · Post by **Kamineko** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:52 am 0

Are the games fun though?

Post by **Snakey** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:54 am 0

OBSAK wrote:If 360 sold on it's crap lineup at launch a Â£280 PS3 would have done so aswell.

There were quite a few games I wanted on 360 launch. There's not a single one on PS3.

OBSAK wrote:Better higher quality

- you can't be serious. Surely.

Gorecki wrote:Sony seem to have an excellent nous for working with various developers

Sony do not work with developers.

Gorecki wrote:Far more so than either Microsoft or Nintendo managed to do with the Xbox & GC.

PS2 sold more consoles. So more developers supported it. Nothing more to it than that.

Gorecki wrote:Plus, they didn't dump the PS1 on it's arse when the PS2 came out, instead they followed an excellent strategy of releasing cheap and cheerful games that extended the consoles life greatly

They did fuck all. Again - developers.

Kamineko · Post by **Kamineko** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:55 am 0

DarkElf wrote:Oh no! (just like the lemming's last shout before exploding)

*claws at desk*

teamonkey · Post by **teamonkey** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:57 am 0

It's fun looking at Google Groups for alt.games.video.* around 1999-2000.

On the expense...

> I'd rather pay a much cheaper $200 to $225 for a system with no DVD player!

Without DVD you'll get a puny system that has tiny CD-ROM games or even Sega's
laughable GD-ROM (although that will help curb piracy for a time). DVD is THE new
medium and you can't complain about 17 GB games. For RPG nuts, that's the bomb.

On the announcement that the Dreamcast was to get an external DVD drive...

> Ok but the PS2 DVD function is to also allow it to play DVD games.
> What happens to the DC DVD drive then?

Maybe Sega will leave that up to how well the device does for watching
movies. If it does so well and enough DC owners get it, then maybe
they'd open the door for DVD games as well. If not, it could remain
just for movies.

Either way, if it's cheap enough, it's a win situation.

On the fact that the DC had 8MB of VRAM while the PS3 was to have 4MB...

>Are you sure that EE chip isn't just another gimmick of Sony's to add to the
>hype of the system. I mean the Hitachi processor and the PowerVR video card
>in the DC are about as cutting edge as it gets and they don't cost too much
>to let Sega sell the system with a modem, 12X cd and all that ram for $199.
>DVD is still quite expensive and has to be accounting for at least 1/3 of
>the price if not more. However, price may be irrelevant as the super co.
>that is Sony can easily take a loss on the system again just to gain a
>bigger market share.

I don't think the EE chip is a gimmick-- if it is, it's an expensive
one, and undoubtedly why the PS2 won't be ready until next year. I
think the EE chip is an attempt to leap ahead of cutting edge (like the
DC) and go beyond it. Initially, the differences will not be huge, as
noted-- but in the long run, the PS2 will probably be able to do games
that the DC cannot. Is this a reason not to get a DC? Absolutely
not. Is this good for the gamer? Absolutely. I want the h/w
companies to keep pushing the boundaries, it's how technology
advances. (And if it weren't for the DC, we probably wouldn't get the
PS2 until later, and maybe with weaker features).

Many more from all angles and completely reflective of all the 360-PS3 flamewars that have been going on. Except much more pleasant and with much less hatred-fuelled bias. Not that I'm comparing the DC/PS2 to the 360/PS3, but the same silly arguments were used.

Kronos · Post by **Kronos** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:58 am 0

Snakey wrote:
What did they actually DO? The PS2 sold purely on brand name and hype...

But the PS1 was very cool, easy to code relatively, and so the PS2 would naturally be well thought of by the happy 70m PS1 owners. The PS1 and the PS2 are the Commodore 64/Amiga of the console world in terms of happy customers and total worldwide sales really

PS2 wasn't an easy machine to code optimally for IIRC but hell compare WRC5 on PS2 hardware to just about any DC game and you see it is not bad technically when put in the right hands, but at the start there weren't much difference between DC/PS2 games years before. This IMO is where the 360/PS3 will go. The PS3 is not as easy to get the most out of 100% of the time but time will stretch it's lead, as I've said before the launch game Motorstorm absolutely 100% trounces any other driving game on any other system, this is now, who knows what WRC2008 would look like given their coding skill

Fair enough you can argue Microsoft hasn't got a brand worth anything to Joe public in a positive way, but Nintendo do, so why did the Cube languish at xbox sales levels while the GBA and DS went supernova? It won't be 4:1 Sony/Microsoft probably but I don't think the 360 will trounce the PS3, the Sony brand to the worldwide general public still has a lot more respect to your average person than that "blue screening rubbish I have to use at work" maker Microsoft, this won't change for a long time simply because Microsoft don't make cool stuff like Plasma TVs and classy laptops, fact of life. Same way as Microsoft couldn't sell a self branded laptop for the same price as Apple can

teamonkey · Post by **teamonkey** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:59 am 0

Kamineko wrote:Are the games fun though?

Some of them are, yes.

PinkFearie · Post by **PinkFearie** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:05 am 0

fucking hell only went for a crap!
what the fucks happened??? (and yes I played my PSP throughout!)

now humming the loco roco demo tune quite happily!

Jamesac · Post by **Jamesac** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:17 am 0

Let me talk about what's happening right now.

The 360 is outselling the PS3.

The 360 has a better game lineup than the PS3, both in terms of available content and what's coming out in the next few months.

Sony seems to be alienating everyone, including developers.

Last generation's performance is no indicator of next gen's. See SNES to N64, or Genesis to Saturn.

That's pretty much my reasoning as to why the 360 is better than PS3 right there. I'd pay the price if I thought the PS3 was worth it, but it's not. I play games, not video game consoles, and the games are on 360. Therefore, 360 wins.

James

Gorecki · Post by **Gorecki** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:22 am 0

Snakey wrote:
Gorecki wrote:Sony seem to have an excellent nous for working with various developers
Sony do not work with developers.

Gorecki wrote:Far more so than either Microsoft or Nintendo managed to do with the Xbox & GC.
PS2 sold more consoles. So more developers supported it. Nothing more to it than that.

Gorecki wrote:Plus, they didn't dump the PS1 on it's arse when the PS2 came out, instead they followed an excellent strategy of releasing cheap and cheerful games that extended the consoles life greatly
They did fuck all. Again - developers.

Either you're taking the piss, I've mis-taken developers for publishers or you're just being deliberately obtuse.

Don't Sony have their own internal develpment teams/companies that between them have produced everything from Gran Turismo to Buzz, Eye Toy and Singstar?

Didn't Sony manage to get a very important exclusivity deal with Rockstar/Take 2 for the Grand Theft Auto games?

And, if I remember correctly, at the end of the PS1's life sony lowered the cut that they took from the sale of PS1 games, therefore opening the market for super cheap games that had previously been prohibited by the license fee. Compare that with (and again correct me if I'm wrong here) Microsoft refusing to grant new licenses for Xbox games after the 360 had launched.

That's the kind of business nous I'm talking about. Sony got a wider range of good quality, high profile games onto their console for a longer period of time than any of their competion because that's what they set out to do.

Gorecki · Post by **Gorecki** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:30 am 0

Jamesac wrote:Let me talk about what's happening seven years ago.

The Dreamcast is outselling the PS2.

The Dreamcast has a better game lineup than the PS2, both in terms of available content and what's coming out in the next few months.

Sony seems to be alienating everyone, including developers.

Last generation's performance is no indicator of next gen's. See SNES to N64, or Genesis to Saturn.

That's pretty much my reasoning as to why the Dreamcast is better than PS2 right there. I'd pay the price if I thought the PS2 was worth it, but it's not. I play games, not video game consoles, and the games are on Dreamcast. Therefore, Dreamcast wins.

James

Good lord knows why I'm still trying to play devils advocate here as I'm far more likely to buy a 360 in the near future than I am a PS3 but I'm bored to tears with the sneering cynicism shown towards the PS3 so far. One look at this years new releases compared to last years indicates that Sony's arrival really kick-starts the next-gen off proper (ironically the release of the PS3 is the best thing to ever happen to the 360's release schedules). And which ever console you get the next twelve months are going to be a fantastic ride.

Kronos · Post by **Kronos** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:31 am 0

Snakey wrote:
OBSAK wrote:If 360 sold on it's crap lineup at launch a Â£280 PS3 would have done so aswell.
There were quite a few games I wanted on 360 launch. There's not a single one on PS3.

OBSAK wrote:Better higher quality
- you can't be serious. Surely.

Oh come on, the 360 feels cheap and sounds like a cheap model aeroplane with that 50p DVDrom drive

As for the games, all the 360 launch games were jaggies city, not next gen looking at all except PGR3 which for me is yawn-o-rama.

Jamesac · Post by **Jamesac** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:39 am 0

It's a really bad analogy. I knew the PS2 would be worth it, despite liking the Dreamcast better at the time. As the PS2 matured that view paid off nicely, and at a decent speed too. This isn't the PS2 vs. Dreamcast, though, it's PS3 against 360 (and Wii). The analogy doesn't work.

For one thing, the Dreamcast and PS2 had almost completely different libraries. For another, the PS2 had strong sales that didn't die off the second Christmas was over. The PS2 outsold Dreamcast from the second it hit store shelves (suplly willing), but the 360 is easily trouncing the PS3 for January. Add in not only similar releases across both platforms but some exceptionally strong exclusives on 360 and it's pretty obvious how things are going to go for the forseeable future.

Playing devil's advocate is fine, but my views aren't based on "Yay 360, die Sony!!!" As I said in my earlier post, I follow the games and Sony doesn't have them.

Cynicism my ass.

James

Foozwah · Post by **Foozwah** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:24 am 0

Won't be buying a PS3 until the price drops to at least a third of what it's going to launch for here.

But that's okay, cos I only bought a PS2 about two months ago(!), and I've now got years worth of cheapo re-release/second-hand games available work my way through, picking and playing only the cream of the crop.

More than enough to keep me happy, and I don't really care about the tech side of things, so I'll just keep PS2-ing and Cube-ing - the games look fine to me, and maybe finally get a DS Lite, when I do want a new machine that doesn't break the bank.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:40 am 0

Didn't Sony manage to get a very important exclusivity deal with Rockstar/Take 2 for the Grand Theft Auto games?

Thats strange, I'm sure I saw it on other formats. :-/

That's the kind of business nous I'm talking about. Sony got a wider range of good quality, high profile games onto their console for a longer period of time than any of their competion because that's what they set out to do.

Not really, its about user-base.
Sony didnt "decide" to let games be released on their system the longest, they simply made the most successfull system. And when a system has a huge userbase, your going to be well supported for awhile.

I mean, theres still GBA games being released for the same reason.