Iran making same mistake as Iraq

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:20 am 0

They're being stupid enough to give Bush and Blair an excuse

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... iran26.xml

ElfQrin · Post by **ElfQrin** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:46 am 0

HGFB wrote:They're being stupid enough to give Bush and Blair an excuse

The problem is that they might drop a few bombs on Iran, but they can't invade the country.

With the war in Iraq USA lost credibility and threatening power. They can't simply afford another war of that kind, economically and politically.

RageMatrix · Post by **RageMatrix** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:54 am 0

Plus the US is apparently having troop problems (as in not enough) - I don't think they'll be attacking Iran anytime soon. Besides, has anyone considered the possibility that these sailors were in fact trespassing and that Iran might have been well in their rights to detain them?

mightyzim · Post by **mightyzim** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:02 am 0

could you imagine the price rise in oil?

Besides Halburton hasn't finished building iraq yet.

Bubba · Post by **Bubba** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:56 am 0

RageMatrix wrote:Besides, has anyone considered the possibility that these sailors were in fact trespassing and that Iran might have been well in their rights to detain them?

All reports so far have been that they were within Iraqi waters when they were surrounded by several Irani boats and escorted to Iran's waters. But without more evidence being published (like GPS co-ordinates) then I guess either scenario is possible.

Cheers

Bubba

ElfQrin · Post by **ElfQrin** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:52 am 0

Bubba wrote: All reports so far have been that they were within Iraqi waters when they were surrounded by several Irani boats and escorted to Iran's waters.

Your sources are biased:

Irna - Arrested British sailors confess violating Iran's waters: Official

Al Jazeera English - Iran seizes British sailors

Stuart B · Post by **Stuart B** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:10 pm 0

ElfQrin wrote:
Bubba wrote: All reports so far have been that they were within Iraqi waters when they were surrounded by several Irani boats and escorted to Iran's waters.
Your sources are biased:

Irna - Arrested British sailors confess violating Iran's waters: Official

Al Jazeera English - Iran seizes British sailors

But your sources are biased too...

teamonkey · Post by **teamonkey** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:16 pm 0

Mistake or deliberate attempt to pick a fight?

Kemper_Boyd · Post by **Kemper_Boyd** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:24 pm 0

teamonkey wrote:Mistake or deliberate attempt to pick a fight?

I presume you mean the Iranians as I can't believe Blair would be looking
for another war right now. Odds are that it's in response to Iranians held
in Iraq, but they are held by the US and Iraqis it's got bugger all to do with
the UK. I don't think it will give Iran a negotiating edge and if they are
stupid enough to kidnap some US troops it'll be war.

TFO · Post by **TFO** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:46 pm 0

I suppose the thing is that regardless of where the boats were when they were seized, both sides will claim that they were in their areas.

Usually when this sort of thing happens (and they happen fairly frequently by all accounts) there is a little sabre rattling between opposing boats, and the offender drifts back into their own areas without any further confrontation - even in this day of GPS, exact locations of borders can be somewhat difficult to pinpoint exactly.

However, in this instance there appears to have been a 'number of Iranian boats involved', which in itself is unusual unless they either 1) had planned all along to do this, or 2) were carrying out exercises in the area at the time, and the Brits got in the way (and could very well have been spying for all I know).

Meh. It's now a political issue not a military one. And Britain (read the US) is not exactly on the Iranian best friend list right now.

ElfQrin · Post by **ElfQrin** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:32 pm 0

Stuart B wrote: But your sources are biased too...

Yes, but they come directly from the people and the area where the incident happened.
And the first title even says "Official".

Meow · Post by **Meow** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:54 pm 0

HGFB wrote:They're being stupid enough to give Bush and Blair an excuse

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... iran26.xml

They don't need excuses, although this is handy foder.

Edit: beside bush started all this shit and the nuclear arms race again in the first place, by calling them the access of evil,

Yet any country that in favours with the US they choose to ignore and them and let them do want they want.

If I was a small country and had oil and was called names and I was parniod, I want nukes.

merman · Post by **merman** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:03 pm 0

If I had an Access of Evil credit card, could I only buy BAD things with it?

/coat

barry · Post by **barry** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:11 pm 0

merman wrote:If I had an Access of Evil credit card, could I only buy BAD things with it?

/coat

Well, it is your flexible fiend.

/hat

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:14 pm 0

mightyzim wrote:could you imagine the price rise in oil?

Yup.
Would be a fantastic thing.

YakYak

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