The Dr Who thread

piku · Post by **piku** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:28 pm 0

HGFB wrote:most of Torchwood was shite

My god... I'm going to print that and stick it to my wall.

No, wait I have a better place for that little quote, give me a moment

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:30 pm 0

Curses! My attempt to blend in has rebounded on me.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:32 pm 0

HGFB, piku, you are both cunts of planet swallowing proportions.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:34 pm 0

Don't panic Harl. I'll tell you what happened to Jack after the end of Torchwood later.

IronGiant · Post by **IronGiant** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:45 pm 0

HGFB wrote: Oh wait. Darkflame in talking bollocks shocker.

FWIW I think Darkflame is spot on.

Sod the angsty family bollocks, we get enough of that with Eastenders and the other cack soaps.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:47 pm 0

He'd be right if he was expressing an opinion that he didn't like it. Which isn't what he was doing if you read the post. Perish the thought anyone reads the posts.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:50 pm 0

Just for the record. I wasn't a huge fan of Jackie and Mickey at first but after watching the story to its conclusion I have to admit that it worked and it worked well.

It certainly gives me a bit more faith that they know what they're doing. Plus I do want to see more of Tish in that skirt.

Istar · Post by **Istar** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:51 pm 0

Bog wrote:Funny thing - just before watching the ep, Sue and I were looking down on St. Thomas' Hospital (the one that really went to the moon) from the London Eye just before sprinting back to our hotel and seeing it get nicked. So funny.

So, wait, you were about 15 minutes from my gaff, and you didn't call?
<sulk>

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:56 pm 0

IronGiant wrote:Sod the angsty family bollocks, we get enough of that with Eastenders and the other cack soaps.

Yes. Eastenders, Coronation Street, Battlestar Galactica, Emmerdale... What idiots would want to watch such crap?

merman · Post by **merman** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:59 pm 0

The main thing I objected to about that scene at the end was that it was SOOOOOO cliched... family rowing with father's new partner, whoo, how original. But... Jackie & Mickey's involvement went far beyond just being annoying in the end and was cleverly written in its own way. So, give it a chance.

kalmar · Post by **kalmar** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:00 pm 0

Harlequin wrote:
IronGiant wrote:Sod the angsty family bollocks, we get enough of that with Eastenders and the other cack soaps.
Yes. Eastenders, Coronation Street, Emmerdale... What idiots would want to watch such crap?

Y'know.. just.. idiots..

RageMatrix · Post by **RageMatrix** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:01 pm 0

HGFB wrote:Torchwood got better ratings than Farscape and most of Torchwood was shite

I'd rather be watching Farscape than Torchwood. Or Dr Who for that matter.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:19 pm 0

kalmar wrote:Y'know.. just.. idiots..

You misquoted me.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:33 pm 0

I feel a lot of words are being put in my mouths here

Whether a show is crap or not is purely a mater of taste.

IMO, I think its very obvious that sticking too shows together in the hope of doubling viewing figures simple doesn't work.

What bolting? Combining Star Trek, Babylon 5, Blake's 7, The Wizard of Oz and The Muppet Show?

Every show can be seen as a combination of others if your going to be that flexible.
But that isn't really bolting.

The Muppet's and Wizard of Oz can be eliminated because they are only shallow connections. (hero being lost/displaced is one of the most common generic story types...despite the show directly referencing it doesn't mean it really is much of a source of the show).
Muppet's, purely visual.

And whats the rest? Sci-fi's

not sure where star trek comes in anyway

Combinations from previous story's and set-ups are unavoidable, but
thats different to just trying to combine two genres to double your success.

How is the use of family connections "combining soaps"? I recall long story lines involving father/son relationships and marriage troubles in some Australian Sci-Fi thing some years back but rarely encountered anyone referring to those elements as 'soap'.

I didn't say that.
I said;

Relationships and characters depth does not automatically mean family members screaming at each other in the middle of the street!

I never argued generically against characters relationships, only against how they are done in soaps is not the sort of thing I want in my scifi's.
You don't need to become soap-like, just because you want depth or complexcity of characters.

Heck, IMO, most soaps don't have much subtly at all. When a sci-fi does
character development they normally do it much better then a soap.
I don't see Soap's as something too want to copy at all.

Probably (just a guess), this is because the characters in sci-fi's are driven by other story events, there relationships can be more subtle.
Soap's have to be a bit more "intense" with relationships because they are the driven force for the plots.

Damn. I guess that means Doctor Who has been doing crap in the ratings and is about to get cancelled since not being either a sci-fi show or a soap it could never get lots of viewers.

When did I say it had become a soap

*IF* it becomes a combination of Eastenders bolted on THEN it will drop in the ratings.

Like I said, it seems this little snipet was much like the bits with Rose at the start of season1.
Its escaping from the soap-opera life.

I'm sure her family will pop up again, but not in the same fashion.

Were you cloned or just duplicated via quantum-Tesla means?

Nice timing, I just saw the Prestige

Whereas now, with an explosion of new digital channels and far more Sci-Fi on telly, DW is pulling in many times more viewers.

DW has been wonderfully successful.
I was just pointing out Farscape wasn't really that niche.

Also, In think Torchwood has the advantage of being pretty much the only decent thing on the whole channel

kalmar · Post by **kalmar** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:35 pm 0

Harlequin wrote:
kalmar wrote:Y'know.. just.. idiots..
You misquoted me.

I did, sorry about that.

But I think there's big a difference between the family / emotional drama in Battlestar (or as another example Buffy), which most would agree is a good part of a good sci-fi series, and the sort of predictable drivel that you find in the soaps that you mentioned.

But it could just be me